Australia v Saffers - One day Series

[Jim05]

Dont ever play for Australia again you **** Spudwell

Spot on. **** him off, and **** him off quickly.

When there's a game to be won, the **** goes missing.

Yep he has to dropped FFS.

I disagree strongly with this. Firstly where do his 8 overs tonight come from? Smith isn't going to go at 5 every time and Watson seems to be losing his effectiveness at least in one day games. Could bring in Marsh as an allrounder but then we're down to just Smith as a spin option unless you want Clarke to bowl which means another bowler.

Batting wise, I just don't think this series has been right for him. You pick guys to work in different situations and to me Maxwell is a guy who can push you up 20 or 30 runs compared to other guys. We have the guys equipped for 4 runs an over but not many for 10+ runs per over and Maxwell is one. IMHO balance and flexibility in short for cricket is important and I just think taking out a guy who gives us something different to bring in someone more like the other guys won't help that often.

Marsh comes in for Maxwell and MJ for Starc. That would be my WC side, Clarke doesnt get in IMO

[mal]

You are a knob Wade.
FFS only need 3 an over not 20 an over

Consistency
You have had a go at Maxwell and Wade
Fair enough
Both played terrible shots

But why have you only picked on these 2 batsman ?

Warner , Finch, Watson ,Smith and Bailey also played similar shots and got out
Faulkner also played across the line for a slog sweep to win the game
If he holed out , he was another playing the BIG shot

The way I saw it Jimbo, the top 7 batters played BIG shots and got out
Some middled them better than others , but they all got out
You only picked on 2, and Im not surprised which 2 either

Because most of those batters got us to the position where it should of been a canter.
Maxwell and Wade only needed to go at 2 an over and couldnt help themselves

These were 4 wickets that fell in succession tonight at one stage
Maxwell
Smith
Bailey
Wade

So why have you only picked on Maxwell and Wade ?
What about Smith and Bailey ?

[Failed Creation]

You are a knob Wade.
FFS only need 3 an over not 20 an over

Consistency
You have had a go at Maxwell and Wade
Fair enough
Both played terrible shots

But why have you only picked on these 2 batsman ?

Warner , Finch, Watson ,Smith and Bailey also played similar shots and got out
Faulkner also played across the line for a slog sweep to win the game
If he holed out , he was another playing the BIG shot

The way I saw it Jimbo, the top 7 batters played BIG shots and got out
Some middled them better than others , but they all got out
You only picked on 2, and Im not surprised which 2 either

Because most of those batters got us to the position where it should of been a canter.
Maxwell and Wade only needed to go at 2 an over and couldnt help themselves

These were 4 wickets that fell in succession tonight at one stage
Maxwell
Smith
Bailey
Wade

So why have you only picked on Maxwell and Wade ?
What about Smith and Bailey ?

Smith aside, the other three did bugger all.

If Australia had lost, Smith would've copped a lot of shit for getting out when he did.

[mal]

Spot on FC
Of all the disMissALs , Smiths I consider the worst one
He was the batsman who was set and should have steered us to an easier victory

[Failed Creation]

Spot on FC
Of all the disMissALs , Smiths I consider the worst one
He was the batsman who was set and should have steered us to an easier victory

Exactly.

I think complacency was a big factor in those four wickets. The worst part is that three of those four players can't afford to be anywhere near complacent.

[Jim05]

You are a knob Wade.
FFS only need 3 an over not 20 an over

Consistency
You have had a go at Maxwell and Wade
Fair enough
Both played terrible shots

But why have you only picked on these 2 batsman ?

Warner , Finch, Watson ,Smith and Bailey also played similar shots and got out
Faulkner also played across the line for a slog sweep to win the game
If he holed out , he was another playing the BIG shot

The way I saw it Jimbo, the top 7 batters played BIG shots and got out
Some middled them better than others , but they all got out
You only picked on 2, and Im not surprised which 2 either

Because most of those batters got us to the position where it should of been a canter.
Maxwell and Wade only needed to go at 2 an over and couldnt help themselves

These were 4 wickets that fell in succession tonight at one stage
Maxwell
Smith
Bailey
Wade

So why have you only picked on Maxwell and Wade ?
What about Smith and Bailey ?

Bailey and Smith were terrible dismissals aswell but Smith got us to a winning position and Bailey has points in the bank.
Maxwell has no points in the bank and no brain, never learns and gets out everytime to stupid shots. Wade's was the worst dismissal of the night by a mile, charging a potatoe like Pietersen and being stumped by a mile, needed to clip him around for singles

[mal]

Jimbo
You dont get an amazing ODI strike rate of 120.40 unless you play a lot of BIG shots
Thats the way Smashwell plays
Of all the first 7 batsmen getting out to BIG shots, he is the last one you should have a go at
He plays those shots repeatedly, he knows no different
He is a late order smasher, you dont change him
If the selectors keep picking him, he should be expected to play the way he does

[Failed Creation]

Jimbo
You dont get an amazing ODI strike rate of 120.40 unless you play a lot of BIG shots
Thats the way Smashwell plays
Of all the first 7 batsmen getting out to BIG shots, he is the last one you should have a go at
He plays those shots repeatedly, he knows no different
He is a late order smasher, you dont change him
If the selectors keep picking him, he should be expected to play the way he does

If he knows no different, send him back to Shield cricket. He's got to know when and when not to play big shots, not just be aggressive and hope it works.

If the selectors keep picking him, they'll soon watch him lose more games for Australia than he'll win.

[mal]

I think the problem with MAxwelL is he played too sensibly in this game
7 runs off 10 balls
I reckon the first BIG shot he played was that 10th ball he faced
Thats possibly the most restrained innings in his ODI career !

[Failed Creation]

I think the problem with MAxwelL is he played too sensibly in this game
7 runs off 10 balls
I reckon the first BIG shot he played was that 10th ball he faced
Thats possibly the most restrained innings in his ODI career !

If he was truly sensible though, he'd have stuck around until the end.

Damien Martyn spent 6 years out of the Test side (unfairly IMO) for what he did against the Saffers in 1994, and Michael Slater got the arse for a year after a poor shot in Delhi, and Maxwell's recent shot selection (or lack thereof) makes them both look like Geoffrey Boycott.

The difference being is that Boycott, Martyn and Slater were hard to get out...

[bennymacca]

He is the Bernard Tomic of cricket. Will never realise his talent because he doesn't have it between the ears.

He could in the future who knows, but not now.

[Lightning McQueen]

I think the problem with MAxwelL is he played too sensibly in this game
7 runs off 10 balls
I reckon the first BIG shot he played was that 10th ball he faced
Thats possibly the most restrained innings in his ODI career !

Scored 7 more than he would've had he tried to play a big shot earlier, a one trick pony who is getting found out.

[Lightning McQueen]

He is the Bernard Tomic of cricket. Will never realise his talent because he doesn't have it between the ears.

He could in the future who knows, but not now.

All the better players have been dropped at some point of their career, they go and work on the flaws in their game and come back more complete, Steve Waugh, Clarke just off the top of my head, I can't recall whether Punter was or did he just drop down to 6 at the expense of Blewett?

[Gozu]

He is the Bernard Tomic of cricket. Will never realise his talent because he doesn't have it between the ears.

He could in the future who knows, but not now.

All the better players have been dropped at some point of their career, they go and work on the flaws in their game and come back more complete, Steve Waugh, Clarke just off the top of my head, I can't recall whether Punter was or did he just drop down to 6 at the expense of Blewett?

Pretty sure Ponting got dropped early in his Test career.

[Lightning McQueen]

All the better players have been dropped at some point of their career, they go and work on the flaws in their game and come back more complete, Steve Waugh, Clarke just off the top of my head, I can't recall whether Punter was or did he just drop down to 6 at the expense of Blewett?

Pretty sure Ponting got dropped early in his Test career.

Same here, wasn't 100% though, the 90's were pretty good for me.

[whufc]

All the better players have been dropped at some point of their career, they go and work on the flaws in their game and come back more complete, Steve Waugh, Clarke just off the top of my head, I can't recall whether Punter was or did he just drop down to 6 at the expense of Blewett?

Pretty sure Ponting got dropped early in his Test career.

Same here, wasn't 100% though, the 90's were pretty good for me.

He defiantly got dropped but was it coz of form or the infamous night club incident

[carey]

Didn't he bang a Tranny or something like that?

[Grahaml]

I don't think anyone "needs" to be dropped but it's just that ups and downs are a part of learning the game. Anyone who comes in young and in form is likely to struggle to contribute when out of form until they mature.

I do agree that players needs to be adaptable but it can only go so far. A guy who pushes and prods isn't going to suddenly turn into a 6 hitter because the situation demands. The same works the other way. Test cricket you can go in knowing the requirement batting wise is going to be fairly similar most of the time but one dayers you'll need 250 one day and 350 the next. You've just got to have blokes in there to suit both situations.

[Grahaml]

a ball bowled at 140 km/h takes about a half a second to reach the batsman, yep, plenty of time ...

well they have enough time as it is. if its a beep instead their reaction times will be similar

Exactly. Umpires and batsmen have been dealing with this time frame for quite a while now, can't be too short.

[Lightning McQueen]

I don't think anyone "needs" to be dropped but it's just that ups and downs are a part of learning the game. Anyone who comes in young and in form is likely to struggle to contribute when out of form until they mature.

I do agree that players needs to be adaptable but it can only go so far. A guy who pushes and prods isn't going to suddenly turn into a 6 hitter because the situation demands. The same works the other way. Test cricket you can go in knowing the requirement batting wise is going to be fairly similar most of the time but one dayers you'll need 250 one day and 350 the next. You've just got to have blokes in there to suit both situations.

So you think they should be content with sub-standard performances when there's talent oozing around the nation?