Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:49 pmIn spoke to someone who knows Chan just yesterday - her words for him were kind, caring and compassionate.
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:49 pmRe: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:46 pmI'm not surprised. They have been doing a lot of good things in prison and providing inspiration and guidance to many troubled inmates. They have been a gift to so many people albeit not in the best circumstances but they way they have turned a shit situation into something meaningful is to be admired. We will gain nothing from taking their lives. Rest in peace fellas, and be strong for those who can't be without you.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:46 pmI'm not surprised. They have been doing a lot of good things in prison and providing inspiration and guidance to many troubled inmates. They have been a gift to so many people albeit not in the best circumstances but they way they have turned a shit situation into something meaningful is to be admired. We will gain nothing from taking their lives. Rest in peace fellas, and be strong for those who can't be without you.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:52 pmIf people are so upset at this issue then why not campaign for the government boycott all things Indonesian? Ban Australian citizens visting and business dealings with them. Isolate them and make them pay for being hypocritical on this issue.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:59 pmheater31 wrote:If people are so upset at this issue then why not campaign for the government boycott all things Indonesian? Ban Australian citizens visting and business dealings with them. Isolate them and make them pay for being hypocritical on this issue.
Agree. Would also stop financial aid of $500 million a year immediately
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:02 pmcracka wrote:heater31 wrote:If people are so upset at this issue then why not campaign for the government boycott all things Indonesian? Ban Australian citizens visting and business dealings with them. Isolate them and make them pay for being hypocritical on this issue.
Agree. Would also stop financial aid of $500 million a year immediately
Money which is used by their government to assist in saving the lives of Indonesians on death row in other countries.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:17 pmActually, it probably goes toward their genocidal campaign in West Papua.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:52 pmCoach Bombay wrote:Just read this post from Ben Quilty.
Can't imagine what Ben is going through.
He always spoke so highly of the boys, inparticular Myu's artwork and the contribution that it brough in providing solace for other rehabilitated inmates.
Joko Widodo tonight you will kill two good men, my friends. I want you to know that you may take their freedom and their lives, you may rob their fellow inmates of the support and love that both men have offered for so long, you can turn off Myu’s imagination but you will never kill the memory of them. I have promised Myu and Andrew, their parents and their siblings, that I will fight against the death penalty for the rest of my life.
I can also assure you that Myu and Andrew will care for the other inmates you will execute tonight. The six men and one young woman from the Philippines, Ghana, Brazil and Nigeria will have two constant, calming and compassionate voices beside them right until the last second. Myuran will continue to translate your executioner’s words into English for Mary Jane Veloso and Andrew will calm and console. I know that before the sound of your guns the island will hear the comforting whisper of Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan.
#bringourboyshome
Kevin Bloody Wilson's quote is better
Kevin Bloody Wilson wrote: People are asking for a minutes silence for these two scumbags. What about a minutes silence for their victims!
My thoughts?
"DILLIGAF"
I'm seriously amazed and staggered that educated people feel any compassion for these toe rags
if they weren't caught they'd still be trying to get away with it ruining more lives in this country and in others
Their contrition is only there because they have been caught
Utter Utter scum
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:23 pmExactly. I'm sure they were kind and compassionate towards the people they were making do their dirty work. You don't become the leaders of a drug trafficking ring with a softly softly approach.
I'm not in favour of the death penalty because a lot of innocent people end up getting killed. These two people aren't in that category
I'm not in favour of the death penalty because a lot of innocent people end up getting killed. These two people aren't in that category
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:16 pmQ. wrote:Actually, it probably goes toward their genocidal campaign in West Papua.
No!!! Next you'll be saying they killed 200,000 plus during their occupation of East Timor......
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:17 pmam Bays wrote:Coach Bombay wrote:Just read this post from Ben Quilty.
Can't imagine what Ben is going through.
He always spoke so highly of the boys, inparticular Myu's artwork and the contribution that it brough in providing solace for other rehabilitated inmates.
Joko Widodo tonight you will kill two good men, my friends. I want you to know that you may take their freedom and their lives, you may rob their fellow inmates of the support and love that both men have offered for so long, you can turn off Myu’s imagination but you will never kill the memory of them. I have promised Myu and Andrew, their parents and their siblings, that I will fight against the death penalty for the rest of my life.
I can also assure you that Myu and Andrew will care for the other inmates you will execute tonight. The six men and one young woman from the Philippines, Ghana, Brazil and Nigeria will have two constant, calming and compassionate voices beside them right until the last second. Myuran will continue to translate your executioner’s words into English for Mary Jane Veloso and Andrew will calm and console. I know that before the sound of your guns the island will hear the comforting whisper of Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan.
#bringourboyshome
Kevin Bloody Wilson's quote is betterKevin Bloody Wilson wrote: People are asking for a minutes silence for these two scumbags. What about a minutes silence for their victims!
My thoughts?
"DILLIGAF"
I'm seriously amazed and staggered that educated people feel any compassion for these toe rags
if they weren't caught they'd still be trying to get away with it ruining more lives in this country and in others
Their contrition is only there because they have been caught
Utter Utter scum
You are seriously quoting Kevin "Bloody" Wilson??? Was Rodney Rude unavailable?
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:19 pmHard not to feel sorry for the majority of Indonesians whom are left red faced by their government. Just received e lovey message from my Balinese friend saying sorry to Australia for what their country has put has through with this. Another friend of mine said that a doctor from their work was stopped and searched in Indonesia and has his passport taken away. When asked why he was told that it was because he was a rich Australian and was blackmailed to give them cash to regain his passport. The doctor was over their volunteering and providing aid to Indonesians in need. I'm starting to feel helpless and uncomfortable with what is about to happen tonight.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:04 amLeaping Lindner wrote:Q. wrote:Actually, it probably goes toward their genocidal campaign in West Papua.
No!!! Next you'll be saying they killed 200,000 plus during their occupation of East Timor......
Which is still less than the deaths that occur due to drug smuggling scum like those two idiots?
At least two innocent people died in Australia last night due to drug addictions, yet there is no who ha over there deaths yet all we hear about are two criminals. Hopefully their deaths were painfull and they suffered.
Hypocritical much???
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:43 amI want to start with I don't condone the actions of the 2 Australians who were murdered over night. Saying that I don't agree with the actions of the Indonesian government or its justice system. I understand it's their rules and we must respect it, but I cant agree with this. A system that lets terrorists, murderers, rapists and kiddy fiddlers walk free after a short period of time. A system that want to enforce a tough stance on drugs but are more than happy to let their own (police, prison officers) deal it freely. A system where you pay for your freedom. A government that uses aid money from Australian tax payers to get their own of death row in other countries, meanwhile slaying thousands of innocent west Papuans. There is also an appeal in process as I type for the two, how can you execute while that's on, plus it is a known fact one of the judges in the trial was offering lesser sentences for coin. Lastly, the way the indo government has handled this is a flat disgrace, feels more like a publicity stunt, from parading the people on death row to showing the coffins and crosses of prior to execution.
I could go on.
Life in prison I could accept, but death by firing squad I can not
I could go on.
Life in prison I could accept, but death by firing squad I can not
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:48 amam Bays wrote:Leaping Lindner wrote:Q. wrote:Actually, it probably goes toward their genocidal campaign in West Papua.
No!!! Next you'll be saying they killed 200,000 plus during their occupation of East Timor......
Which is still less than the deaths that occur due to drug smuggling scum like those two idiots?
At least two innocent people died in Australia last night due to drug addictions, yet there is no who ha over there deaths yet all we hear about are two criminals. Hopefully their deaths were painfull and they suffered.
Hypocritical much???
You are the master of your own destiny when choosing to use drugs. Not even comparable.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:51 amI believe in the death penalty but not for the crime they committed. However if the death penalty exists in a country for that type of crime, and you choose to deliberately committ that crime knowing full well (and they would have known) that the death penalty was in play, then I have no sympathy.
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:59 amif these 2 were getting the death penalty for being paedophiles would everyone be reacting the same way?>
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:08 amJohno6 wrote:if these 2 were getting the death penalty for being paedophiles would everyone be reacting the same way?>
No but that is no comparison
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:10 amI thought everyones issue was the death penalty tho, not the crime?
the country has a penalty of death if you get caught smuggling drugs
they smuggled drugs
they got the death penalty
I don't see the issue?
the country has a penalty of death if you get caught smuggling drugs
they smuggled drugs
they got the death penalty
I don't see the issue?
Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:24 amJohno6 wrote:I thought everyones issue was the death penalty tho, not the crime?
the country has a penalty of death if you get caught smuggling drugs
they smuggled drugs
they got the death penalty
I don't see the issue?
It runs a little deeper than that. Indonesia actively negotiate to get their own citizens off the same punishment for similar crimes in other countries. Then criticise others who use the same tactics.
**** the **** - recall the ambassador, cut all ties with the country and pass laws that Australian citizens can't visit the country ever.
Maybe Tony had a point about the next time there is a natural disaster we won't help and see how they go.....