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bennymacca wrote:Subscription services are also part of the problem unfortunately. I used to read quite a few articles from the Australian, as well as the guardian, abc and tiser.

Now what's left is the guardian which is mostly too left leaning for me (Stan and Grenville may laugh hearing that), and you only get the click bait from the tiser rather than the meaty articles.

Right wingers may disagree but I think this places more importance on the abc. Probably why the right have tried so hard to discredit it

Nah not really. I mostly post with salt in one hand at times so I wouldn't be too concerned.

You assessment of the tiser seems almost too kind and yes I know what you said about it.

Regardless I do agree with your sentiment that basically people will read the news that suits there beliefs.

If we look around enough we might even find the topic of this thread.

Even though most have said they want the Day changed or they don't care..........the poll of anonymous people says otherwise, almost twice the votes.
Interesting isn't it!

I think that comes down to the stigma of having a non-politically correct opinions.

HH3 wrote:I think that comes down to the stigma of having a non-politically correct opinions.

You've presented a false dilemma.

Political correctness doesn't obstruct free speech, rather, it makes it accessible for marginalised groups.

Q. wrote:

HH3 wrote:I think that comes down to the stigma of having a non-politically correct opinions.

You've presented a false dilemma.

Political correctness doesn't obstruct free speech, rather, it makes it accessible for marginalised groups.

It also creates pressures on people with different views to keep their mouths shut, because they run the risk of being called a racist, mysoginist, feminist, etc if their opinion differs from the herd.

Hence why a lot of people thought a Trump victory was a ludicrous idea, until people were allowed to vote anonymously, and the people that didn't think they could outwardly support him used their vote to elect him.

People are vicious these days if you don't agree with them, and the labels start flying.

HH3 wrote:

Q. wrote:

HH3 wrote:I think that comes down to the stigma of having a non-politically correct opinions.

You've presented a false dilemma.

Political correctness doesn't obstruct free speech, rather, it makes it accessible for marginalised groups.

It also creates pressures on people with different views to keep their mouths shut, because they run the risk of being called a racist, mysoginist, feminist, etc if their opinion differs from the herd.

Yes, and then they use PC to derail having an uncomfortable conversation about their ethic indolence.

I see what you mean. But people are venomous these days. Just because you have an outdated opinion, doesn't mean you can stand up to people calling you this and that. Very rarely have I heard or read a conversation about any serious issue that hasn't deteriorated into name calling and accusations of someones inner feelings.

Some people don't want Australia Day changed. They're racists now.
People don't like abortion. They're misogynists that are keeping women under patriarchal rule.
People want equal rights for women, but because of the femi-nazi "movement" (f**kin retards) they are lumped in with the bad ones and cop shit.

Some people can't handle the venom, so can't be bothered getting into discussions. So now they don't hear the other side, and their opinion will never change.

Some people aren't lazy about learning new things, they're bullied out of it.

I think the art of counter-arguments is lost on most people.

On both sides

HH3 wrote:On both sides

Predominately Dog_ger's side though!

HH3 wrote:I see what you mean. But people are venomous these days. Just because you have an outdated opinion, doesn't mean you can stand up to people calling you this and that. Very rarely have I heard or read a conversation about any serious issue that hasn't deteriorated into name calling and accusations of someones inner feelings.

Some people don't want Australia Day changed. They're racists now.
People don't like abortion. They're misogynists that are keeping women under patriarchal rule.
People want equal rights for women, but because of the femi-nazi "movement" (f**kin retards) they are lumped in with the bad ones and cop shit.

Some people can't handle the venom, so can't be bothered getting into discussions. So now they don't hear the other side, and their opinion will never change.

Some people aren't lazy about learning new things, they're bullied out of it.

And this also then leads to the rise of Trump in the US and Hansen here in Aus.

stan wrote:

HH3 wrote:I see what you mean. But people are venomous these days. Just because you have an outdated opinion, doesn't mean you can stand up to people calling you this and that. Very rarely have I heard or read a conversation about any serious issue that hasn't deteriorated into name calling and accusations of someones inner feelings.

Some people don't want Australia Day changed. They're racists now.
People don't like abortion. They're misogynists that are keeping women under patriarchal rule.
People want equal rights for women, but because of the femi-nazi "movement" (f**kin retards) they are lumped in with the bad ones and cop shit.

Some people can't handle the venom, so can't be bothered getting into discussions. So now they don't hear the other side, and their opinion will never change.

Some people aren't lazy about learning new things, they're bullied out of it.

And this also then leads to the rise of Trump in the US and Hansen here in Aus.

Yep. Corner people and bully them when they have an opinion, and they'll aggressively defend it. The social justice warriors will eventually be their own undoing.

I don't get the SJW thing. I mean, I get it that people use it as a lazy retort. But are people implying that they are anti-social justice, ie. against equal opportunity, fair wealth distribution etc. It seems a strange thing for a proletariat to rally against. Counter-intuitive.

I use it the some way I call someone a "champion" or "hero" on the footy field. They think they're doing something good, and their intentions are probably right. But the way a lot of people go about it are completely counter-productive.

These quotes are from an opinion piece I read that kind of explains my feelings towards the people that attack others for having different values.

I used to be a steadfast conservative. I'm talking the "abortion is wrong and gay people are a plague" type. I'm not that way anymore, but I didn't get there on my own. I talked to people who didn't blow me off as a raging lunatic. They didn't scream at me or throw handfuls of shit. They explained why they thought I was wrong, and guess what? Over time, I found that I actually agreed with them. If I had been met with nothing but hatred and insults, my only reaction would have been "Go **** half of yourself. Then take a break. Then come back and **** the other half of yourself."

If the only response they get is dickheads spewing bile at them, they are going to back out of the room and find safety where they came from

I agree. If your counter-argument is name-calling, you've lost.

stan wrote:

HH3 wrote:I see what you mean. But people are venomous these days. Just because you have an outdated opinion, doesn't mean you can stand up to people calling you this and that. Very rarely have I heard or read a conversation about any serious issue that hasn't deteriorated into name calling and accusations of someones inner feelings.

Some people don't want Australia Day changed. They're racists now.
People don't like abortion. They're misogynists that are keeping women under patriarchal rule.
People want equal rights for women, but because of the femi-nazi "movement" (f**kin retards) they are lumped in with the bad ones and cop shit.

Some people can't handle the venom, so can't be bothered getting into discussions. So now they don't hear the other side, and their opinion will never change.

Some people aren't lazy about learning new things, they're bullied out of it.

And this also then leads to the rise of Trump in the US and Hansen here in Aus.

Great!! Hope they come to Adelaide, I loved "MmmBop" back in the day.

Q. wrote:I agree. If your counter-argument is name-calling, you've lost.

And this is why it isn't a "false dilemma".

People are scared or can't be bothered with the backlash they might cop for their opinion, but they'll hit the "No" box in the poll anonymously.

Implying that political correctness limits free speech is a false dilemma.

It has nothing to do with people's inability to argue their point.

I didn't say political correctness limits free speech.

People that get on their high horse about people saying things that may not be PC does though.

And after the last few years of being called racists, misogynists, etc, etc, has taken it's toll on people and a lot of them can't be f**ked speaking about stuff now. They'll just vote and move on.

The worlds heading in a terrible direction because of it too.