Re: Ashes 2023
Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2023 12:03 pm
So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.
The Bedge wrote:whufc wrote:If the rules need to be changed it would be pretty simple.
For a batsman to be given out he needs to be gaining either a batting advantage or attempting a run. That would cover both batsmen running down the wickets to gain an advantage in their shot and being stumped and would cover the obvious run out dismissal.
So may as well remove stumping dismissals for batsmen whose back foot lifts or are dragged out.
Brodlach wrote:So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.
Brodlach wrote:But he was batting out of his crease.
Booney wrote::lol:
MW wrote:RB wrote:MW wrote:The pub test says it was not in the spirit
Do you mean because he wasn't attempting a run?
Yep, not gaining an advantage
RB wrote:MW wrote:RB wrote:MW wrote:The pub test says it was not in the spirit
Do you mean because he wasn't attempting a run?
Yep, not gaining an advantage
Interesting point. But I think that would drastically reduce the number of stumpings.
The "spirit of cricket" concept is a very malleable one.
whufc wrote:Brodlach wrote:So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.
The difference would be is that at ball 6 the ball is deemed dead when the umpire makes a verbal call rather than when the fielding team decides the ball is dead. Had the umpire of called dead which as I've said his physical actions may have 'dummied' Bairstow into thinking he had called over.
I think the umpire was right in not calling dead as Carey was moving in one action but i also think if the umpire has not called over he should be positioned in his normal position especially if a run is not being taken.
It was all just a bit messy.....no rules broken. Carey was smart and did it well.
For once the batter was trying to move the game forward and start the next over.
The Bedge wrote:Really, simple rule needs to be brought in.. batsman must call "wicky leave"... and when running need to call "crease" to declare their safety and immunity.
Lightning McQueen wrote:The Bedge wrote:Really, simple rule needs to be brought in.. batsman must call "wicky leave"... and when running need to call "crease" to declare their safety and immunity.
Need to bring in automatic wicky too
Lightning McQueen wrote:The Bedge wrote:Really, simple rule needs to be brought in.. batsman must call "wicky leave"... and when running need to call "crease" to declare their safety and immunity.
Need to bring in automatic wicky too
FlyingHigh wrote:whufc wrote:Brodlach wrote:So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.
The difference would be is that at ball 6 the ball is deemed dead when the umpire makes a verbal call rather than when the fielding team decides the ball is dead. Had the umpire of called dead which as I've said his physical actions may have 'dummied' Bairstow into thinking he had called over.
I think the umpire was right in not calling dead as Carey was moving in one action but i also think if the umpire has not called over he should be positioned in his normal position especially if a run is not being taken.
It was all just a bit messy.....no rules broken. Carey was smart and did it well.
For once the batter was trying to move the game forward and start the next over.
Perhaps the umpires could be a little smarter in not actually doing anything until they've looked around, made sure the ball is dead, and definitively called it. Many seem to hold up the palms of their hands.
Have been trying to find a view from behind, it all happened so quickly I'm not convinced Carey or Bairstow would have seen any definitive movement from the umpire.
Booney wrote::lol:
Armchair expert wrote:Just catching up on what happened
Thats worse than a mankad
Corona Man wrote:FlyingHigh wrote:whufc wrote:Brodlach wrote:So what’s the difference between ball 6 of the over or ball 2? Carey threw the ball in one motion as the caught the ball. There was no time between him taking the ball and throwing it.
The difference would be is that at ball 6 the ball is deemed dead when the umpire makes a verbal call rather than when the fielding team decides the ball is dead. Had the umpire of called dead which as I've said his physical actions may have 'dummied' Bairstow into thinking he had called over.
I think the umpire was right in not calling dead as Carey was moving in one action but i also think if the umpire has not called over he should be positioned in his normal position especially if a run is not being taken.
It was all just a bit messy.....no rules broken. Carey was smart and did it well.
For once the batter was trying to move the game forward and start the next over.
Perhaps the umpires could be a little smarter in not actually doing anything until they've looked around, made sure the ball is dead, and definitively called it. Many seem to hold up the palms of their hands.
It wouldn't and shouldn't make any change to this dismissal, but take out the area of what the umpire has or hasn't called or intimated.
Have been trying to find a view from behind, it all happened so quickly I'm not convinced Carey or Bairstow would have seen any definitive movement from the umpire.
The one who should be looking around to make sure the ball is "dead" is the batsman. Simple.