MW wrote:He didn't deserve a crack in this environment when he's one of the only players besides Tim Paine who gives a shit to be out there
Even more reason why the public should probably reserve their criticism. Don't be hating on the few out there busting their guts for their country in the field the past 4 days, show some support.
Even my partner was commenting last night how sad it was, and trying to make sense of why SAF continued to bat and grind them into the ground - they looked defeated and SAF enjoyed bullying up on them.. was like watching an A grade side vs a B grade side.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
1) Ok champ, we get that you think SAF should've declared early. No worries, we all agree. No need to harp on and on about it non stop for 30 ******* minutes!!!! Then have a break from commentary, come back and continue on about it again.. Done my head in!
2) Don't "compare" the batsmen from each side and point out how the Aussies have struggled, and show the series stats, when half the Aussie side are playing their first test of the series you ******* moron of course the SAF blokes have more runs, they've played every bloody test!
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
The Bedge wrote:My views from the weekend, particularly around Sayers.
Yes, i'll admit it appears he is a yard too slow for Test cricket - whilst I thought he did bowl quite well in patches, his movement through the air wasn't pronounced enough to be the same danger as he seems to be at Shield level.
People ripping shreds over his pace though and bagging him, should probably relax a little - yes he's come under the spotlight, always was going to, but over the weekend I rarely witnessed any bowler regularly push the ball through over 135kph, even Cummins was regularly in the 125-130 bracket last night (however, he's probably exhausted after the tour!). Sayers was able to hit over 130 in patches, but unfortunately he also was regularly 118-122 which is a massive drop off.
All that aside, i'm still glad he got an opportunity. I'd rather see Sayers picked on form, and having earned his spot, and exposed as inadequate than to not have been given a crack at all - or given a crack like some others on potential.
Say what you will, but he has truly earned his opportunity over the past few years, and he deserved a crack - now we know he probably isn't at the level, but he's earned that right to find out in a test match.
Would also be nice if "fellow Australians" such as Shane Warne backed off a little bit and weren't so damn negative towards him, let the bloke play the game, drop him next test if need be, don't sit there and ridicule the bloke on national TV. Wanker.
Sorry Bedge cant agree Has he earnt his place- yes Has he earnt his place at this point in time- no Has had an average Shield season, was primed for a place last season in the Adelaide Test, maybe even the ashes adelaide test but since then he has been rubbish. Pick guys in form Jamie Siddons also earnt an Australian cap but never got it because of timing do we bring him back now
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daysofourlives wrote:Sorry Bedge cant agree Has he earnt his place- yes Has he earnt his place at this point in time- no Has had an average Shield season, was primed for a place last season in the Adelaide Test, maybe even the ashes adelaide test but since then he has been rubbish. Pick guys in form Jamie Siddons also earnt an Australian cap but never got it because of timing do we bring him back now
Fair enough, you're entitled to disagree 17 wickets from 5 games isn't the worst season though, and disrupted by being around the Aussie setup and the BBL mid year.
But I think you missed my point..
Has Richardson earned a spot? Had Cummins earned a spot when he debuted? Had Handscomb earned a spot when recalled? Had Mitch Marsh earned a spot when he debuted? Nic Maddison? Hilton Cartwright? Jon Holland? Ashton Agar? Rob Quiney? Michael Beer? Peter George?
My point is, that Sayers has earned an opportunity to see if he can cut it at the top level, and hasn't just been picked ahead of the pack on "potential" like so many others before him. Was he the most inform bowler next in line currently? Probably not, but he had earned his spot at the front of the line.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
Could go back further and include: Graham Manou Bryce McGain Clint McKay Trent Copeland John Hastings Jason Krejza Beau Casson Scott Muller Adam Dale Matt Nicholson Brad Williams Dan Cullen
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
Could go back further and include: Graham Manou Bryce McGain Clint McKay Trent Copeland John Hastings Jason Krejza Beau Casson Scott Muller Adam Dale Matt Nicholson Brad Williams Dan Cullen
Could go back further and include: Graham Manou Bryce McGain Clint McKay Trent Copeland John Hastings Jason Krejza Beau Casson Scott Muller Adam Dale Matt Nicholson Brad Williams Dan Cullen
Ian Healy screams at the top of his voice after the 3rd or 4th lot of 4 byes/wides went past his diving gloves in his last ever tour game (Bulawayo 1999) - "Get this F***ing C*** Off"
M Nicholson - 13 overs 1 Mdns 0 for 56 (18 W, 6 NB)
Story recounted to me by someone who played in that game, he wasn't rated by all his team mates either, never played for Aust again.
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
BANS handed to Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft should be reduced, the Australian cricketers’ union said, arguing the punishment was disproportionate to previous ball-tampering cases.
Disgraced former captain Smith and his deputy Warner were suspended from international and domestic cricket for 12 months and Bancroft for nine months over a plot to alter the ball during the third Test against South Africa in Cape Town.
All three players have apologised and accepted responsibility in emotional press conferences after being kicked off the tour and returning home last week.
Australian Cricketers’ Association (ACA) president Greg Dyer said “justice which is rushed can sometimes be very flawed”, referring to Cricket Australia (CA) handing out its punishment so soon after the incident.
He urged a relaxation of the bans to allow the men to return to domestic action sooner, saying of the dozen or so previous cases the ACA had studied, the most severe punishment was a ban for two one-day internationals.
“These proposed penalties are disproportionate relative to precedent,” Dyer said.
Dyer pointed to the International Cricket Council sanction, which suspended Smith for one Test and docked him his match fee after he admitted responsibility for the ball-tampering scandal.
He also said the contrition expressed by players has been “extraordinary” and should be taken into account.
A wave of sympathy for Smith, in particular, has been gathering pace since a heart-wrenching public apology on Thursday, in which he broke down in tears.
“Their distressed faces have sent a message across the globe as effective as any sanctions could be. I think Australia cried with Steve Smith last Thursday, I certainly did,” said Dyer.
“We consider that the players need to return to domestic cricket earlier and as part of their rehabilitation.”
With the 2019 World Cup and an Ashes series in 2019, supporters of the players believe they need to be playing state cricket to be in the type of form that could warrant selection.
All three men have until Thursday to inform Cricket Australia whether they accept their punishment or will opt for a hearing, as is their right.
Dyer also said the “win-at-all-costs” culture of Australian cricket must be addressed by independent inquiry examining the game from top to bottom, reporting to both the ACA and CA.
“Organisational culture comes from its leadership and it comes from the top. It cannot be grafted onto the bottom,” he said, as pressure grows for cricket’s top brass to also come under the spotlight.
“Let us identify all the causes of the tipping point that occurred in Cape Town.”
Was thinking about the bans the other day, I wish that there wasn't the riches of T20 cricket that these guys could fall back into, imagine if they didn't have this option??? They would be crawling back to the Australian Public like you wouldn't believe or there future might just be a $200k pa domestic contract for the rest of their career.
of course the SAF blokes have more runs, they've played every bloody test!
