SA Footy

Jimmy_041 wrote:I remember that discussion.
Problem is the non-district clubs are not predominantly from one area (ie) PAOCFC is inner north city but players come from everywhere
Lutherans are inner south - west but the same
The NW suburbs went through a metamorphosis when The POWER came in (did I get that right?)
The E suburbs have consolidated with the loss of Burnside Kensington and Campbelltown Magill and the PNU merger. Now there is PNU, Glenunga, Hectorville and to an extent: Athelstone
To me: that outer / inner N/NE is a problem with Fitzroy / Kilburn / Gaza / Broadview / Walkerville / Gepps Cross (maybe not to the same extent) all fighting for players / juniors in a demographic changed area

Can't speak on other areas, but it will be a long time (if ever again) before you see an old CDFA club (excl. Salisbury North) in Div 1 or 2, for two reasons. The sponsorship $$$ are just not out there compared to what you'd see in the Mitcham/Unley/NPSP etc council areas, and the amount of kids not playing football is staggering. I coached the Playford SAPSASA team for the last three years, and for a district of 14 schools stretching from Elizabeth East out to Blakeview/Craigmore and across to Angle Vale, we had an average of 27 kids pre year at trials. Soccer had around the 100 mark each year. Not one ex-CDFA could fill an Under 18 team in 2019, not one. There weren't even 20 seventeen/eighteen year olds from the north playing footy on a Sunday afternoon.

All of the refugee families moving into these areas are playing the round-ball game (similar to Kilburn's issue), and it won't be changing anytime soon.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:I remember that discussion.
Problem is the non-district clubs are not predominantly from one area (ie) PAOCFC is inner north city but players come from everywhere
Lutherans are inner south - west but the same
The NW suburbs went through a metamorphosis when The POWER came in (did I get that right?)
The E suburbs have consolidated with the loss of Burnside Kensington and Campbelltown Magill and the PNU merger. Now there is PNU, Glenunga, Hectorville and to an extent: Athelstone
To me: that outer / inner N/NE is a problem with Fitzroy / Kilburn / Gaza / Broadview / Walkerville / Gepps Cross (maybe not to the same extent) all fighting for players / juniors in a demographic changed area

While you're chucking Kilburn and Gepps in there you have to branch it out a little further to the densest of clubs per square kilometre, Greenacres, Ingle Farm, Pooraka, Para Hills, Mawson Lakes, Brahma Lodge and St. Pauls have certainly got their work cut out as far as competing with others, most of them are not even a 1 can trip between each other.

I was using Grand Junction Road as the outer limit of inner N/NE. Greenacres probably fits in - by suburb not oval

Pag wrote:Can't speak on other areas, but it will be a long time (if ever again) before you see an old CDFA club (excl. Salisbury North) in Div 1 or 2, for two reasons. The sponsorship $$$ are just not out there compared to what you'd see in the Mitcham/Unley/NPSP etc council areas, and the amount of kids not playing football is staggering. I coached the Playford SAPSASA team for the last three years, and for a district of 14 schools stretching from Elizabeth East out to Blakeview/Craigmore and across to Angle Vale, we had an average of 27 kids pre year at trials. Soccer had around the 100 mark each year. Not one ex-CDFA could fill an Under 18 team in 2019, not one. There weren't even 20 seventeen/eighteen year olds from the north playing footy on a Sunday afternoon.

All of the refugee families moving into these areas are playing the round-ball game (similar to Kilburn's issue), and it won't be changing anytime soon.

With suburb bashing or throwing around stereotypes but would it be a lot of northern clubs are worried about having 18's incase it brings their club into disrepute?
There are plenty of clubs south of Grand Junction Road that have had their issues at Under 18 level and it is a tough age group to contain with the testosterone levels etc.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Pag wrote:Can't speak on other areas, but it will be a long time (if ever again) before you see an old CDFA club (excl. Salisbury North) in Div 1 or 2, for two reasons. The sponsorship $$$ are just not out there compared to what you'd see in the Mitcham/Unley/NPSP etc council areas, and the amount of kids not playing football is staggering. I coached the Playford SAPSASA team for the last three years, and for a district of 14 schools stretching from Elizabeth East out to Blakeview/Craigmore and across to Angle Vale, we had an average of 27 kids pre year at trials. Soccer had around the 100 mark each year. Not one ex-CDFA could fill an Under 18 team in 2019, not one. There weren't even 20 seventeen/eighteen year olds from the north playing footy on a Sunday afternoon.

All of the refugee families moving into these areas are playing the round-ball game (similar to Kilburn's issue), and it won't be changing anytime soon.

With suburb bashing or throwing around stereotypes but would it be a lot of northern clubs are worried about having 18's incase it brings their club into disrepute?
There are plenty of clubs south of Grand Junction Road that have had their issues at Under 18 level and it is a tough age group to contain with the testosterone levels etc.

May be part of it mate, we've lost points in the past due to Under 18 issues but we had everything in place to go with an 18s team this year (A grade players as coaches, team manager, runner etc), but were missing about 10 players.

Pag wrote:May be part of it mate, we've lost points in the past due to Under 18 issues but we had everything in place to go with an 18s team this year (A grade players as coaches, team manager, runner etc), but were missing about 10 players.

A crap age for commitment, under 17's in the CDFA/NMFL was alive and well for a long time, we lived for the weekend to play regardless of what we got up to the night before, quite often it would've been with the opposition.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Pag wrote:May be part of it mate, we've lost points in the past due to Under 18 issues but we had everything in place to go with an 18s team this year (A grade players as coaches, team manager, runner etc), but were missing about 10 players.

A crap age for commitment, under 17's in the CDFA/NMFL was alive and well for a long time, we lived for the weekend to play regardless of what we got up to the night before, quite often it would've been with the opposition.

No doubt it's a crap age for commitment, but while the clubs up the hill (GG, TTG, Modbury etc) can still put teams out there they will continue to have talent filtering in and will stay in top 2-3 divs. Nothing against those clubs at all, very well run, just our reality of being in the north at the minute.

Additionally, putting socio-economics to one side looking at this decade's premiers in D1 you can really see the impact of APPS points introduction given all premiers have either been Old Collegians teams or clubs which had made large investments in junior footy the decade before APPS.

It's somewhat telling looking at the points clubs played their last final with as PNU (7* we think that was a mistake and it should have been 0), PAOC 3, ROCS 0, SPOC 7 and Goodwood 10.

SPOC full of mercenaries
The new Scotch

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Pag wrote:Can't speak on other areas, but it will be a long time (if ever again) before you see an old CDFA club (excl. Salisbury North) in Div 1 or 2, for two reasons. The sponsorship $$$ are just not out there compared to what you'd see in the Mitcham/Unley/NPSP etc council areas, and the amount of kids not playing football is staggering. I coached the Playford SAPSASA team for the last three years, and for a district of 14 schools stretching from Elizabeth East out to Blakeview/Craigmore and across to Angle Vale, we had an average of 27 kids pre year at trials. Soccer had around the 100 mark each year. Not one ex-CDFA could fill an Under 18 team in 2019, not one. There weren't even 20 seventeen/eighteen year olds from the north playing footy on a Sunday afternoon.

All of the refugee families moving into these areas are playing the round-ball game (similar to Kilburn's issue), and it won't be changing anytime soon.

With suburb bashing or throwing around stereotypes but would it be a lot of northern clubs are worried about having 18's incase it brings their club into disrepute?
There are plenty of clubs south of Grand Junction Road that have had their issues at Under 18 level and it is a tough age group to contain with the testosterone levels etc.

u18s is a tough age group in any comp/region

Pag wrote:The PNU team in my junior age group were awesome, had five guys I reckon in the 2000 State Schoolboys Team (Josh Irwin, Justin Dantini, Ryan Obst and others).

Don't think they lost a game for three or four years in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Will Dalwood and Josh O'Donohue in that same team, neither we guns as kids but both went on to play good League footy.