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ConAir wrote:If you're looking at Glenunga, have you seen the junior program? You invest in juniors, and you play higher grades. Its not rocket science. .

You can't compare Glenunga with say Eastern Park you dumb ****.

One is a club in an affluent area, flush with high end sponsors and families that are comfortable paying the best part of $350 - $400 in fees for their kid. A high functioning committee, members with white collar backgrounds and an area that is booming in Jnr footy.

The other is a working class, low socio-economic area where the footy club is the livelihood for many locals, but sponsorship is tough going and competing with local clubs for kids is even harder. Committee and members made up of passionate people trying to do best by their club, but often not having the ways or means. Families that might struggle to pay $200 in fees for their kids.

The Bedge wrote:

ConAir wrote:If you're looking at Glenunga, have you seen the junior program? You invest in juniors, and you play higher grades. Its not rocket science. .

You can't compare Glenunga with say Eastern Park you dumb ****.

One is a club in an affluent area, flush with high end sponsors and families that are comfortable paying the best part of $350 - $400 in fees for their kid. A high functioning committee, members with white collar backgrounds and an area that is booming in Jnr footy.

The other is a working class, low socio-economic area where the footy club is the livelihood for many locals, but sponsorship is tough going and competing with local clubs for kids is even harder. Committee and members made up of passionate people trying to do best by their club, but often not having the ways or means. Families that might struggle to pay $200 in fees for their kids.

You can I just did.

If eastern park focused on their juniors and built them up rather than paying for players and crashing to DIV 6! they would have been better off. They were div 10-12 Years ago!

When I read your posts..

I mean, If you ignore basically every factor aside from them both being footy clubs ----- then yes you can compare the two.

The Bedge wrote:When I read your posts..

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Are you irritable because you haven't taken a nap or figured out how the top clubs work?
Focus on developing a strong junior program and invest in it.

Juniors first - Pay spuds second! - Unfortunately, that's why the majority of these clubs will struggle. They fail to see this simple and very useful bit of information!

Its Div 6 Footy! lol,

ConAir wrote:Are you irritable because you haven't taken a nap or figured out how the top clubs work? Focus on developing a strong junior program and invest in it.

Champ.. do you realise that half a dozen clubs make up something like 60% of all junior participation numbers?

jake the snake wrote:Pag, I’m pretty confident that a few of those clubs mentioned would be paying some guys ridiculous coin…

But they wouldn't have been when they were formerly in in D6. Or if they did, they paid the right guys that continued to take them in the right direction, through D5 and D4 and up into D3 (for all bar Kenilworth), not club hoppers who think D5 is too hard like many going around.

The Bedge wrote:

ConAir wrote:Are you irritable because you haven't taken a nap or figured out how the top clubs work? Focus on developing a strong junior program and invest in it.

Champ.. do you realise that half a dozen clubs make up something like 60% of all junior participation numbers?

That's the big thing.

Kenilworth have been working so hard on juniors for quite some time. Even rebranding to St Marys (the juniors) to include and invest in the community. Its a slow burn, teams like Edwardstown very close makes it hard. Not sure about Marion but i assume they have a decent or at least growing Juniors as well nearby. Plus all the others in the area (numerous in a 10-15k radius). Clubs are working together in some cases.

Its not as straight forward as Nicholas Cage is trying to put it. Numerous factors, and lets be honest - dwindling participation.

Chappy wrote:I mean, If you ignore basically every factor aside from them both being footy clubs ----- then yes you can compare the two.

Small ovals too.

Pag wrote:

jake the snake wrote:Pag, I’m pretty confident that a few of those clubs mentioned would be paying some guys ridiculous coin…

But they wouldn't have been when they were formerly in in D6. Or if they did, they paid the right guys that continued to take them in the right direction, through D5 and D4 and up into D3 (for all bar Kenilworth), not club hoppers who think D5 is too hard like many going around.

You're spot on. Paying the right guys. Guys that want to buy into what you're selling, not just guys looking for the highest price for the easiest money. And then switching clubs every 2-3 years.

Glenunga and Golden Grove are often accused of buying players. But, not too many of them leave after 1-2 seasons at the club. They build a successful environment that makes them want to stay. Having said that, both of those clubs have massive junior programs, so they are financially secure - not reliant on a benefactor until their money runs out.

I think another question is how do you reatin all your juniors as well when mum and dad see your seniors in div 1 or div 6 what will they choose. At this rate every junior player will be registered with Grove Glenunga TTG PNU Henley. When your better kids go to sanfl programs they also try to push them to div 1 or 2 clubs. So getting poached from everywhere. Then they become zero pointers for those clubs as well. And the cycle continues.....

ConAir wrote:

LaughingKookaburra wrote:Can name 2 clubs in D1 that were paying blokes in D6 in the last 15-17 years. Can also name at least 4 clubs within that time that we’re paying blokes in that time that have never returned to D6 since leaving for at least the last 10 years. It’s not hard to see.

2 Clubs for 15 16 years ago. That means there are a hell of a lot that have failed.
You don't pay monkeys to play, and that's what this division is doing!

If you're looking at Glenunga, have you seen the junior program? You invest in juniors, and you play higher grades. Its not rocket science.

Eastern Park comes to mind, and paid players who didn't invest in their junior program came crashing down. Sailsbury another, Fitzroy another Elizabeth.

Four clubs in this division tried the easy way, got caught out and came crashing down. It should teach all clubs that are paying stupid amounts for average players, and that's what this division really is - Its C1 A Grade.

ConAir, more like ConJob…

Tisk

ConAir wrote:

LaughingKookaburra wrote:Can name 2 clubs in D1 that were paying blokes in D6 in the last 15-17 years. Can also name at least 4 clubs within that time that we’re paying blokes in that time that have never returned to D6 since leaving for at least the last 10 years. It’s not hard to see.

2 Clubs for 15 16 years ago. That means there are a hell of a lot that have failed.
You don't pay monkeys to play, and that's what this division is doing!

If you're looking at Glenunga, have you seen the junior program? You invest in juniors, and you play higher grades. Its not rocket science.

Eastern Park comes to mind, and paid players who didn't invest in their junior program came crashing down. Sailsbury another, Fitzroy another Elizabeth.

Four clubs in this division tried the easy way, got caught out and came crashing down. It should teach all clubs that are paying stupid amounts for average players, and that's what this division really is - Its C1 A Grade.

ConAir, more like ConJob…

Tisk

Purple Warrior wrote:I think another question is how do you reatin all your juniors as well when mum and dad see your seniors in div 1 or div 6 what will they choose. At this rate every junior player will be registered with Grove Glenunga TTG PNU Henley. When your better kids go to sanfl programs they also try to push them to div 1 or 2 clubs. So getting poached from everywhere. Then they become zero pointers for those clubs as well. And the cycle continues.....

All our kids who go through the sanfl system get told to go play out in the Barossa or for a higher division club. Makes player retention of our higher level juniors very tough when they’re pressured from outsiders to leave.

Burner wrote:

Purple Warrior wrote:I think another question is how do you reatin all your juniors as well when mum and dad see your seniors in div 1 or div 6 what will they choose. At this rate every junior player will be registered with Grove Glenunga TTG PNU Henley. When your better kids go to sanfl programs they also try to push them to div 1 or 2 clubs. So getting poached from everywhere. Then they become zero pointers for those clubs as well. And the cycle continues.....

All our kids who go through the sanfl system get told to go play out in the Barossa or for a higher division club. Makes player retention of our higher level juniors very tough when they’re pressured from outsiders to leave.

Also doesn’t help when the very best clubs are trotting out 4 junior aides in one age bracket. You don’t want to penalise the good clubs but common sense must kick in and SANFL step in. Have try outs or whatever and keep 50-56 kids for two teams, encourage the others to move on to other clubs to spread the participation and futures of the competition around.

Observer55 wrote:
Also doesn’t help when the very best clubs are trotting out 4 junior aides in one age bracket. You don’t want to penalise the good clubs but common sense must kick in and SANFL step in. Have try outs or whatever and keep 50-56 kids for two teams, encourage the others to move on to other clubs to spread the participation and futures of the competition around.

Kids want to play with their mates, if they cant do that they wont play and be lost to other sports, hence SANFL will never do this.

Dutchy wrote:

Observer55 wrote:
Also doesn’t help when the very best clubs are trotting out 4 junior aides in one age bracket. You don’t want to penalise the good clubs but common sense must kick in and SANFL step in. Have try outs or whatever and keep 50-56 kids for two teams, encourage the others to move on to other clubs to spread the participation and futures of the competition around.

Kids want to play with their mates, if they cant do that they wont play and be lost to other sports, hence SANFL will never do this.

You can fix this situation by coming to a club they want to join. You'll argue how! With what money can they do this?

Easy you pay below average footballs a can of coke and invest in juniors.

Observer55 wrote:

Burner wrote:

Purple Warrior wrote:I think another question is how do you reatin all your juniors as well when mum and dad see your seniors in div 1 or div 6 what will they choose. At this rate every junior player will be registered with Grove Glenunga TTG PNU Henley. When your better kids go to sanfl programs they also try to push them to div 1 or 2 clubs. So getting poached from everywhere. Then they become zero pointers for those clubs as well. And the cycle continues.....

All our kids who go through the sanfl system get told to go play out in the Barossa or for a higher division club. Makes player retention of our higher level juniors very tough when they’re pressured from outsiders to leave.

Also doesn’t help when the very best clubs are trotting out 4 junior aides in one age bracket. You don’t want to penalise the good clubs but common sense must kick in and SANFL step in. Have try outs or whatever and keep 50-56 kids for two teams, encourage the others to move on to other clubs to spread the participation and futures of the competition around.

The SANFL said they would look at this when they took over junior footy admin

Lip service from the SANFL.

Their job is easier and there is more money coming in, if the strong clubs have unlimited access to kids

scottroo wrote:Lip service from the SANFL.

Their job is easier and there is more money coming in, if the strong clubs have unlimited access to kids

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