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#bleedredandblue wrote:it was a 2 person altercation so him "putting himself in that position" is a bit hard when there was an opposition player involved that was the instigator!!

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:

#bleedredandblue wrote:The coach does have a lid on that sort of thing and throughout the year anything like that we have dealt with in house and the playing group know that the club is not afraid to dish out their own suspensions so people learn! In this particular incident, it was a 2 person altercation so him "putting himself in that position" is a bit hard when there was an opposition player involved that was the instigator!! But either way, a 3 game suspension is absolutely beyond a joke.. Hence the reason we had a letter from salisburys coach going into our defence, the other player involved was in our defence letting the league know that there was nothing in it besides some tongue and cheek, a push and him trying to draw a free kick, also had another Salisbury player rock up to the tribunal last night in our defence once again stating that there was nothing in it and it shouldn't have been anything more than a free kick if that!! But even with all of that, the league didn't listen to a word and dished out a 3 game penalty with 3 points on top trying their absolute hardest to keep us from any sort of success this year.. If you can read, you will understand the frustration and if you have any idea about anything you will realise that if so many people from Salisbury were there for his defence that maybe it's a load of ******* crap

I can understand the frustration, but It's not the end of the world is it? Turn it into a positive. If it truly is an injustice, maybe it can galvanise the playing group for a big assault on the finals. You should still get the double chance and if you are good enough you can still make it to the big dance.

#bleedredandblue wrote:The coach does have a lid on that sort of thing and throughout the year anything like that we have dealt with in house and the playing group know that the club is not afraid to dish out their own suspensions so people learn! In this particular incident, it was a 2 person altercation so him "putting himself in that position" is a bit hard when there was an opposition player involved that was the instigator!! But either way, a 3 game suspension is absolutely beyond a joke.. Hence the reason we had a letter from salisburys coach going into our defence, the other player involved was in our defence letting the league know that there was nothing in it besides some tongue and cheek, a push and him trying to draw a free kick, also had another Salisbury player rock up to the tribunal last night in our defence once again stating that there was nothing in it and it shouldn't have been anything more than a free kick if that!! But even with all of that, the league didn't listen to a word and dished out a 3 game penalty with 3 points on top trying their absolute hardest to keep us from any sort of success this year.. If you can read, you will understand the frustration and if you have any idea about anything you will realise that if so many people from Salisbury were there for his defence that maybe it's a load of ******* crap

#bleedredandblue wrote:Well you heard completely wrong and have no idea, in what way did our advocate apparently stuff the whole thing up? Lol they had their mind made up before a word was even said! And to completely ignore everything Salisbury had put into our defence I just can not get my head around! So you can call whatever bullshit you like and stick it right up there my friend

The Big Shrek wrote:Once again the lesson here is to use AG Criminal Law

The Big Shrek wrote:Once again the lesson here is to use AG Criminal Law

Executive Member wrote:

#bleedredandblue wrote:The coach does have a lid on that sort of thing and throughout the year anything like that we have dealt with in house and the playing group know that the club is not afraid to dish out their own suspensions so people learn! In this particular incident, it was a 2 person altercation so him "putting himself in that position" is a bit hard when there was an opposition player involved that was the instigator!! But either way, a 3 game suspension is absolutely beyond a joke.. Hence the reason we had a letter from salisburys coach going into our defence, the other player involved was in our defence letting the league know that there was nothing in it besides some tongue and cheek, a push and him trying to draw a free kick, also had another Salisbury player rock up to the tribunal last night in our defence once again stating that there was nothing in it and it shouldn't have been anything more than a free kick if that!! But even with all of that, the league didn't listen to a word and dished out a 3 game penalty with 3 points on top trying their absolute hardest to keep us from any sort of success this year.. If you can read, you will understand the frustration and if you have any idea about anything you will realise that if so many people from Salisbury were there for his defence that maybe it's a load of ******* crap

perhaps some context so you can at least vent correctly

The Tribunal is not the League, it is an independent group of highly qualified people appointed by the League to manage all player reports within the guidelines provided by The League

The Tribunal would not give a toss about the club involved, it looks at the report as it stands and it would be a very brave person to question these peoples integrity

The Big Shrek wrote:

Executive Member wrote:

#bleedredandblue wrote:The coach does have a lid on that sort of thing and throughout the year anything like that we have dealt with in house and the playing group know that the club is not afraid to dish out their own suspensions so people learn! In this particular incident, it was a 2 person altercation so him "putting himself in that position" is a bit hard when there was an opposition player involved that was the instigator!! But either way, a 3 game suspension is absolutely beyond a joke.. Hence the reason we had a letter from salisburys coach going into our defence, the other player involved was in our defence letting the league know that there was nothing in it besides some tongue and cheek, a push and him trying to draw a free kick, also had another Salisbury player rock up to the tribunal last night in our defence once again stating that there was nothing in it and it shouldn't have been anything more than a free kick if that!! But even with all of that, the league didn't listen to a word and dished out a 3 game penalty with 3 points on top trying their absolute hardest to keep us from any sort of success this year.. If you can read, you will understand the frustration and if you have any idea about anything you will realise that if so many people from Salisbury were there for his defence that maybe it's a load of ******* crap

perhaps some context so you can at least vent correctly

The Tribunal is not the League, it is an independent group of highly qualified people appointed by the League to manage all player reports within the guidelines provided by The League

The Tribunal would not give a toss about the club involved, it looks at the report as it stands and it would be a very brave person to question these peoples integrity

Let's not carry on about how fantastic the tribunal is.

It's an amateur league tribunal it's not expected to be perfect. It operates on rules that aren't immediately apparent, deals with less than perfect evidence from all parties including the umpires. In those circumstances it's a difficult job and there are bound to be occasions they get things wrong.

wonder_kid wrote:Because umpires would never lie to save face.....

The Big Shrek wrote:Not so much lying but reliability is the problem. They don't realise how difficult it is to recall things accurately. If you had footage and compared it to people's recollections you'd be amazed at how wrong honest people often are. Confidence is often confused with reliability and so umpires who aren't nervous, have been there before come across as better witnesses.

The other problem is that it's very difficult to figure out who is telling the truth. I suspect the tribunal members are like some judges and believe that upon appointment they suddenly acquire some divine ability to discern the truth. In reality they often have no more ability in this area than the man on the street yet feel obliged to come to some conclusion rather than admit they do not know where the truth lies.

whufc wrote:

The Big Shrek wrote:Not so much lying but reliability is the problem. They don't realise how difficult it is to recall things accurately. If you had footage and compared it to people's recollections you'd be amazed at how wrong honest people often are. Confidence is often confused with reliability and so umpires who aren't nervous, have been there before come across as better witnesses.

The other problem is that it's very difficult to figure out who is telling the truth. I suspect the tribunal members are like some judges and believe that upon appointment they suddenly acquire some divine ability to discern the truth. In reality they often have no more ability in this area than the man on the street yet feel obliged to come to some conclusion rather than admit they do not know where the truth lies.

Problem is if they made no judgement every time they didn't know exactly where the truth lied no player would ever get suspended as it's a simple task for clubs, players on trial etc to seed lots of doubt and make a judgement blury.

The Big Shrek wrote:Not so much lying but reliability is the problem. They don't realise how difficult it is to recall things accurately. If you had footage and compared it to people's recollections you'd be amazed at how wrong honest people often are. Confidence is often confused with reliability and so umpires who aren't nervous, have been there before come across as better witnesses.

The other problem is that it's very difficult to figure out who is telling the truth. I suspect the tribunal members are like some judges and believe that upon appointment they suddenly acquire some divine ability to discern the truth. In reality they often have no more ability in this area than the man on the street yet feel obliged to come to some conclusion rather than admit they do not know where the truth lies.

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