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Re: Gaza FC - APPS Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:26 pmby amber_fluid
jo172 wrote:cracka wrote:Armchair expert wrote:Its okay, just get your players jobs, free uni, discounts, free stuff, netball contracts etc. etc.
Or if the player has a business, pay them for services that don't actually get done or well overpay for their services
Least the ATO gets a cut that way
Everyone wins a prize!
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:28 pmby jo172
Strictly speaking most of the above is all a breach of the rules and if you think about it, not significantly more difficult to prove by the CFL in the event someone is willing to spill the beans or not.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:33 pmby jo172
In respect of salary cap policing the really fascinating one is market value.
Notionally it's a "football payment" if a president/supporter etc was to make a payment for a players services outside of football above the market value for those services.
Say player X is a carpenter, and I need decking done for my pool. Finding the market value of that I imagine preposterously difficult.
Ditto player y who is a graduate accountant I want to employ in my firm. Determining the "market value" for his wages equally difficult.
Payment for not rendering services or grossly disproportionate payments however ...
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:45 pmby Footy Chick
SANFL Official Statement
SANFL Statement: salary cap investigation
The SANFL wishes to advise that Gaza Football club has this week been charged with offences relating to serious breaches of the SANFL Community Football Player Payments regulations.
The charges relate to breaches during the 2018 to 2022 seasons and include sign-on payments and match payments which significantly exceeded the maximum allowable under the Player Payment Regulations.
The Club has 14 days to consider its position and either accept the charges or lodge an appeal and contest some or all of the charges before the Tribunal.
SANFL will be making no further comment on the matter at this stage.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:49 pmby whufc
is there a case to be made with the points system being in place and the fact its easily policeable that the salary cap is somewhat pointless.
If club X wants to spend $120k on the 5 x 3 pointers they can get vs club Z who wants to spend $50k on the 5 x 3 pointers then does it really matter.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:51 pmby amber_fluid
whufc wrote:is there a case to be made with the points system being in place and the fact its easily policeable that the salary cap is somewhat pointless.
If club X wants to spend $120k on the 5 x 3 pointers they can get vs club Z who wants to spend $50k on the 5 x 3 pointers then does it really matter.
What about the $$ spent on their good juniors who are 0 points to keep them there.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:54 pmby whufc
amber_fluid wrote:whufc wrote:is there a case to be made with the points system being in place and the fact its easily policeable that the salary cap is somewhat pointless.
If club X wants to spend $120k on the 5 x 3 pointers they can get vs club Z who wants to spend $50k on the 5 x 3 pointers then does it really matter.
What about the $$ spent on their good juniors who are 0 points to keep them there.
Goodluck to them if they 1. have good juniors that they need to keep, they've done something right in their junior program. 2. if the club has financial positioned itself well enough to pay who cares.
I'm just not a big fan of having rules that can barely be policed which essentially the salary cap is one of those.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:57 pmby jo172
whufc wrote:amber_fluid wrote:whufc wrote:is there a case to be made with the points system being in place and the fact its easily policeable that the salary cap is somewhat pointless.
If club X wants to spend $120k on the 5 x 3 pointers they can get vs club Z who wants to spend $50k on the 5 x 3 pointers then does it really matter.
What about the $$ spent on their good juniors who are 0 points to keep them there.
Goodluck to them if they 1. have good juniors that they need to keep, they've done something right in their junior program. 2. if the club has financial positioned itself well enough to pay who cares.
I'm just not a big fan of having rules that can barely be policed which essentially the salary cap is one of those.
I used to think this, but if the reported penalties are accurate, it's going to have a significant deterrent effect.
You might think you have a <5% chance of being caught. Is that chance worth what might be a marginal improvement in chances of winning a flag as against the end of your club?
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 2:03 pmby Hector
I'm just staggard that "amateur" clubs have this much money lying around that they can initially spend and then pay for when fined. I've never been part of a footy admin, would this be the financial situation of most clubs or would most just be happy having $10k in the bank?
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 4:28 pmby mickey
Hector wrote:I'm just staggard that "amateur" clubs have this much money lying around that they can initially spend and then pay for when fined. I've never been part of a footy admin, would this be the financial situation of most clubs or would most just be happy having $10k in the bank?
Having only $10k in the bank would be diabolical for any sporting club. You would hope a club would have over $50k cash available and considerably more invested for future security
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Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:41 pmby Pag
mickey wrote:Hector wrote:I'm just staggard that "amateur" clubs have this much money lying around that they can initially spend and then pay for when fined. I've never been part of a footy admin, would this be the financial situation of most clubs or would most just be happy having $10k in the bank?
Having only $10k in the bank would be diabolical for any sporting club. You would hope a club would have over $50k cash available and considerably more invested for future security
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I reckon you’d find a fair few clubs from Div 5-7 would be in this position, especially in areas of the city where sponsorship dollars may be harder to obtain.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:43 pmby jo172
When I was on the committee $10k in the bank would have been cause for huge celebration.
$50k in the bank would be unheard of.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:57 pmby Pag
jo172 wrote:When I was on the committee $10k in the bank would have been cause for huge celebration.
$50k in the bank would be unheard of.
This. Some of the numbers being thrown around are astonishing to me.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 6:18 pmby Yank Man
Pag wrote:jo172 wrote:When I was on the committee $10k in the bank would have been cause for huge celebration.
$50k in the bank would be unheard of.
This. Some of the numbers being thrown around are astonishing to me.
I would suspect a high percentage of clubs in the Adelaide Footy League from Div 1-7 would be more than happy to get through a season in the black ever lone have $10k left at the end. Just my personal opinion and I’ve been on 3 committees in those divisions over recent years and seen it first hand.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 6:55 pmby DOC
C7 news promo has the President on saying it's all lies.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:11 pmby DOC
Ok.
He says there is no proof (C7 showed the paperwork sent to him detailing the payments and it showed figures like contract payment $150 actual payment $800)
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He says he will appeal as they can not pay so will have to close.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:22 pmby LaughingKookaburra
DOC wrote:C7 news promo has the President on saying it's all lies.
I hope it’s incorrect. Gaza are a proud and respectable staple to our league over a long period of time. It’s sad losing any club let alone a club with their history and representation to our great league.
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:29 pmby DOC
The lies comment was made by the C7 newsreader.
I did not hear him say that but he did say there was no proof. I assume he means no evidence presented to him just the result of the investigation
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Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:39 pmby jo172
As an interesting conceit I wonder what would happen if the CFL announced an amnesty for anyone who self reported for the last 5 years how many would come forward.
Would likely be useful information for the CFL and affiliated leagues as to whether the system as a whole is working as intended and equally provide good strategies as to future prevention.
Probably something worth kicking about for the SANFL and affiliated leagues
Re: Gaza FC - Salary Cap Breaches
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Fri Sep 01, 2023 7:48 pmby LaughingKookaburra
DOC wrote:The lies comment was made by the C7 newsreader.
I did not hear him say that but he did say there was no proof. I assume he means no evidence presented to him just the result of the investigation
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2020 in particular is a big year to reflect on given there were zero payments allowed. Just wonder how that’s reflected upon in these investigations.