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Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:34 am
by Executive Member
The Bedge wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:And if you hand over a $50 for payment they gotta get someone else to work out the change for you or get out their iPhone calculator.

:lol: So true! I bought a coffee the other day and paid cash and the girl just stared at me blankly :lol:

.. then she punched the numbers into her calculator.
.. then watched as she moved like a sloth counting the change


maths not a strong suit at The Lodge mate LOL

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:14 am
by The Bedge
TheTranzlator wrote:Well at least she was volunteering... wouldn't get too picky.

Oh nah, these was at a coffee shop in the city :lol:

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:25 am
by morell
Thread should be tagged with "you know you're old when". Use some empathy ya old goats.

Society has moved to a point where even if people wanted to help, they can't. So many young people are time poor, disposable income poor and doing everything they can just to get by. Cooking the BBQ might mean they miss that cash job, taking their kids to their junior sport or heck just having some free time to themselves to unwind.

I've pushed a very strong player centric agenda this year. Football clubs should be a place to escape the laborious, enjoy yourself and socialise. Not be rostered on to do chores that in all likelihood you haven't had time to do at home, let alone the football club - a place for recreation. I don't blame people at all for not wanting to volunteer in 2022s society.

The traditional volunteer pool - wives, girlfriends, Mums, Dads - are in the same boat. Too ******* busy. So who's left? The rusted on locals. God bless them.

It's a broad social construct we're experiencing and inflicting on younger generations, not some boomer imagined level of apathy. It's dare I say it caused by a lack of real wage growth, changing market forces and generational wealth inequity. That's created huge pressure on the only commodity young people can own these days - their time.

Other than the macro social stuff, in my opinion we need more support from governments (all spheres), peak bodies (AFL, SANFL) and our league to provide more human resourcing and/or smart policy or regulation change to alleviate the volunteer burden. A good example is the umpiring changes this year in the reserves. It's worked great.

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:30 am
by The Bedge
Apologies for not agreeing with you there young man. :)

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:33 am
by amber_fluid
This notion that youngsters are time poor is a myth.
Most of them barely work 40 hours a week anyway.

Our parents worked twice as hard and often to what kids do today.

If they jumped off their social media for just a minute they’d have more time to volunteer.

20+ year olds have never had it better IMO
Half of them still live at home with mummy.

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:34 am
by Sass!
We tend to not draw on our players for the canteen and bbq on match day as we are lucky enough to have a good group of committee members/ past players/ life members or general volunteers that run this for us.

On the flip side, our 5 senior sides are rostered on 3 times a year to do Saturday night meals out of our downstairs kitchen (usually 4-5 players from each side along with a committee member to keep an eye on things). Our saturday night presentations average around 60-80 meals so its a big ask of the playing group and they are oftne in the kitchen from 5:30pm to 9pm by the time they finish the clean up. We've been doing this for a decade now and players actually seem to enjoy it which is crazy considering their demographic with most being in their 20's and wanting to be out on a saturday night.

They see it as their opportunity to give back to the club after seeing all the work from volunteers all day, its also a great bonding experience and usually a good laugh for those in there. It still blows me away that we fill the duties each week and it continues to be a great way for us to bring in some revenue.

DISCLAIMER: after years of doing multiple saturday night shifts, ive stepped back and havent done one this year!

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:37 am
by whufc
We can all agree we don’t want players missing out on income to volunteer.

Don’t necessarily agree with being disposable income poor. What today’s generation consider ‘must haves’ is completely different to years gone by. As a kid we never had Foxtel because of the cost $50 per month. I don’t think you will find many people under the age of 25 who don’t have at least 3 streaming subscriptions absolute minimum.

You also don’t see to many empty lines to get into the woodshed, dog and duck on a Saturday to which everyone is happy to pay $20-$40 just to get in.

I would also say based on my knowledge at clubs I’ve been involved in a high percentage find money to ensure they have a few nose beers on a Saturday night as well. There seems to be plenty of disposable money around for this. I can’t believe the numbers who dabble in it and it ain’t cheap.

I would say if a player consider flipping a few snags for half an hour with a couple of his mates having a beer twice a season ‘work’ than we have a bigger problem than I thought.

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:43 am
by whufc
Sass! wrote:We tend to not draw on our players for the canteen and bbq on match day as we are lucky enough to have a good group of committee members/ past players/ life members or general volunteers that run this for us.

On the flip side, our 5 senior sides are rostered on 3 times a year to do Saturday night meals out of our downstairs kitchen (usually 4-5 players from each side along with a committee member to keep an eye on things). Our saturday night presentations average around 60-80 meals so its a big ask of the playing group and they are oftne in the kitchen from 5:30pm to 9pm by the time they finish the clean up. We've been doing this for a decade now and players actually seem to enjoy it which is crazy considering their demographic with most being in their 20's and wanting to be out on a saturday night.

They see it as their opportunity to give back to the club after seeing all the work from volunteers all day, its also a great bonding experience and usually a good laugh for those in there. It still blows me away that we fill the duties each week and it continues to be a great way for us to bring in some revenue.

DISCLAIMER: after years of doing multiple saturday night shifts, ive stepped back and havent done one this year!


Agree I think where volunteering culture is already strong it becomes contagious for everyone entering that community. Interestingly part of a leadership development program I was involved in we looked at churches and they still have an amazing volunteer culture

I would say the clubs that are struggling have probably had a culture decline at some point where for one reason or another too few did too much (potentially that was because a few people wanted that level of involvement). Once it declines though it’s very hard to get back because everyone looks at one another and says why should I

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:43 am
by Mr Beefy
whufc wrote:
EFA
I don’t think you will find many people under the age of 25 who pay to have at least 3 streaming subscriptions absolute minimum. They dont pay, they're good at sharing.


Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:44 am
by morell
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Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 11:50 am
by morell

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:01 pm
by The Bedge
morell wrote:https://www.pc.gov.au/research/completed/youth-income-decline/youth-income-decline.pdf

I aint reading 210 pages... i'm time poor! 8) :D

*edit* Figure 3 shows a ~1% decrease in ave hours worked per week.. maybe that's why they got less $$ :P

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:02 pm
by The Bedge
morell wrote:Football clubs should be a place to escape the laborious, enjoy yourself and socialise. Not be rostered on to do chores that in all likelihood you haven't had time to do at home, let alone the football club - a place for recreation. I don't blame people at all for not wanting to volunteer in 2022s society..

Then who is going to do the "chores" that are needed to run the operations?

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:05 pm
by The Bedge
morell wrote:So many young people are time poor, disposable income poor and doing everything they can just to get by. Cooking the BBQ might mean they miss that cash job, taking their kids to their junior sport or heck just having some free time to themselves to unwind.

Cooking that BBQ for 30min might just mean they miss sinking two beers on the sidelines out of the esky they brought from home heckling blokes.

If they're genuinely that time poor that they desperately need 30min to "find time to unwind", then i'd suggest they need to re-evaluate their life/schedule and involvement in community sport.

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:05 pm
by Brodlach
Nice to have you posting Morrell.


The lack of time Uni students actually spend at Uni is appalling IMO. They are barely there.

Again if 80 blokes all chipped in 2 hours a season everything gets covered.

I help as much as I can but can say I’m burnt out and a bit disillusioned

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:26 pm
by whufc
morell wrote:Image


I’m not saying there wrong I’m saying what they consider proirities or must haves in life is completely different to other generations. That doesn’t mean there isn’t disposable income. I consider disposable income money outside of genuine expenses you need to live eg I would consider a mobile phone a necessity expense in modern day society. On the other hand I wouldn’t consider streaming services, night club entry fees and a high drug use culture as necessities.

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:34 pm
by whufc
I don’t buy time poor either…..if nothing else modern society has been sped up with technology.

Pay a bill do it online
Get cash out….who the hell does that
Get takeaway……don’t even leave your house now
Get served at woolies……if it’s busy serve yourself
Go food shopping…..click and collect or get it dropped off to home
Go clothes shopping……buy online
Go put a bet on……do it on my phone
Drive to port Adelaide from Elizabeth…..use the expressway
Go to a petty station…..there on every bloody corner
Hire a video/DVD…….do that from home
Go to a mates house who isnt there….would never ever happen now
Cooking dinner….shit I don’t even have to wait for my oven to heat up just use the air fryer
Do uni work…..type at 100 words per minute, use auto correct to fix any errors
Do the dishes….I ain’t standing there my dishwasher is doing that shit

What I will say is the hours of work have changed…….as well all know employment these days is 24/7 7 days a week and taking time off to play spot
Is not as socially accepted IMO

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:35 pm
by Executive Member
whufc wrote:I don’t buy time poor either…..if nothing else modern society has been sped up with technology.

Pay a bill do it online
Get cash out….who the hell does that
Get takeaway……don’t even leave your house now
Get served at woolies……if it’s busy serve yourself
Go food shopping…..click and collect or get it dropped off to home
Go clothes shopping……buy online
Go put a bet on……do it on my phone
Drive to port Adelaide from Elizabeth…..use the expressway
Go to a petty station…..there on every bloody corner


they are time poor as they need to manscape - not something we had to worry about 8)

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:01 pm
by oldman
All this talk about, lack of time etc is not the reason at all. Its really simple. People just don't care anymore and those that do care just get in and do it. I would guess that the majority of clubs lacking help off the field are the same clubs that where if a player was told they were not playing A grade or even at all for a week the player would simply see that as no big deal and actually enjoy having the weekend off. The care factor of playing sport unless getting paid to do so has definitely lost its appeal.

Re: Clubs in strife

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:02 pm
by gadj1976
whufc wrote:I don’t buy time poor either…..if nothing else modern society has been sped up with technology.

Pay a bill do it online
Get cash out….who the hell does that
Get takeaway……don’t even leave your house now
Get served at woolies……if it’s busy serve yourself
Go food shopping…..click and collect or get it dropped off to home
Go clothes shopping……buy online
Go put a bet on……do it on my phone
Drive to port Adelaide from Elizabeth…..use the expressway
Go to a petty station…..there on every bloody corner
Hire a video/DVD…….do that from home
Go to a mates house who isnt there….would never ever happen now
Cooking dinner….shit I don’t even have to wait for my oven to heat up just use the air fryer
Do uni work…..type at 100 words per minute, use auto correct to fix any errors

What I will say is the hours of work have changed…….as well all know employment these days is 24/7 7 days a week and taking time off to play spot
Is not as socially accepted IMO


You always fill your life with stuff that previously couldn't get done but now can. Also, the expectation on people has increased, so despite the improvements in technology, the need to do more is ever increasing.

If technology improves even more, I'll have time to do work around the house I hadn't got around to previously.