by FOURTH ESTATE » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:50 am
by Phantom Gossiper » Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:58 am
by Yank Man » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:18 am
FOURTH ESTATE wrote:Okay lets start from the beginning.
FACTS
1. Kilburn have lost a lot of players over the off season. 19 ins and 36 outs as per league website.
2. They have been confident all pre-season that they would get 2 teams on the park.
3. Struggled to get players to training (They are no orphan in this boat)
4. Cancelled at least 2 of their trial matches due to lack of numbers against Woodville South and Broadview
5. Senior Coach Greg Phillips resigned as well as their B Grade Coach
6. Nathan Tape appointed new coach
7. Played 1 trial against Old Ignatians
8. Informed the league that they would be forfeiting their B Grade for the 1st two weeks of the season.
These facts are not indispute.
Polls and replies show that the league should force them to go to D7 or below to the C Grade Comp.
At no point in the League's Constitution or the League's Rules & Regulations can they force a club to go into a lower grade if the club does not agree with them.
To force them into a lower grade by the clubs wishes on the polls opens up a whole new box on pandora's problems.
You cannot say just because they are a 1 team club that they now should be put into C1 - C4. The problem with this is while stating the obvious that it is a C Grade comp, at least 60%+ of the games played are triple headers this would cause massive headaches to those club involved and also remember a with Adelaide Uni, PAOC, Adelaide Lutheran CBC & Pulteney being in the City of Adelaide the parking restrictions make it impossible to play late and stand alone games due to AFL games at Adelaide Oval and I would be quite sure that Kilburn would not want to play at 10.15 Saturday Morning. It would also be unfair on those C Grade sides to have an A Grade team placed in this Comp which basically is for fun.
Placing them now into D7 is a possibility but once again it is Kilburn's decision if they want to go there.
One must also consider Brahma Lodge's plight, they asked the league for help to be placed in a lower grade due to player losses but some pollsters believed that they should have been made to go to D3 and suffer the consequences. One only has to look at last weeks result to see that the league's decision was justified in placing them in D5. If Kilburn are now to move on their own volition to now be placed in D7, Brahma Lodge would have cause to say that they should have been placed even lower.
The solutions are not easy nor straight forward.
1. Kilburn remain in D3 and be flogged every week with a possible SAAFL score kicked against them at some stage during the season.
2. Kilburn fold due to the beatings sustained. If they fold before Round 9 all scores will be wiped and treated as a bye if they fold after round 9
the second half of the season will be treated as a bye and all scores remain from the first round unless they post a forfeit in the first round
in which all scores will be wiped and treated as a bye
3 If they fold during the season and re-appear the following season they will have to re-enter the league from D7 next year
4. The Club by the league recommendation and club agreement that they be moved to the vacant position in D7 and all previous scores in D3 be
null and void and it to be declared a bye if they move before the completeion of round 9 which in turn will mean that the would start with a
negative win/loss ration in D7.
5. The open spot in D4 next year could open the way for a club from outside of the league to gain entry at a higher level as a one time only deal.
All of the above points need to be considered as each one will have ramifications for every club in the SAAFL.
Hard decision to be made by Men/Women who can make them in this league.
by FOURTH ESTATE » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:33 am
by FOURTH ESTATE » Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:07 pm
by Mr Beefy » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:41 pm
by FOURTH ESTATE » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:32 pm
by Mr Beefy » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:35 pm
by Bigshow82 » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:56 pm
FOURTH ESTATE wrote:Okay lets start from the beginning.
FACTS
1. Kilburn have lost a lot of players over the off season. 19 ins and 36 outs as per league website.
2. They have been confident all pre-season that they would get 2 teams on the park.
3. Struggled to get players to training (They are no orphan in this boat)
4. Cancelled at least 2 of their trial matches due to lack of numbers against Woodville South and Broadview
5. Senior Coach Greg Phillips resigned as well as their B Grade Coach
6. Nathan Tape appointed new coach
7. Played 1 trial against Old Ignatians
8. Informed the league that they would be forfeiting their B Grade for the 1st two weeks of the season.
These facts are not indispute.
Polls and replies show that the league should force them to go to D7 or below to the C Grade Comp.
At no point in the League's Constitution or the League's Rules & Regulations can they force a club to go into a lower grade if the club does not agree with them.
To force them into a lower grade by the clubs wishes on the polls opens up a whole new box on pandora's problems.
You cannot say just because they are a 1 team club that they now should be put into C1 - C4. The problem with this is while stating the obvious that it is a C Grade comp, at least 60%+ of the games played are triple headers this would cause massive headaches to those club involved and also remember a with Adelaide Uni, PAOC, Adelaide Lutheran CBC & Pulteney being in the City of Adelaide the parking restrictions make it impossible to play late and stand alone games due to AFL games at Adelaide Oval and I would be quite sure that Kilburn would not want to play at 10.15 Saturday Morning. It would also be unfair on those C Grade sides to have an A Grade team placed in this Comp which basically is for fun.
Placing them now into D7 is a possibility but once again it is Kilburn's decision if they want to go there.
One must also consider Brahma Lodge's plight, they asked the league for help to be placed in a lower grade due to player losses but some pollsters believed that they should have been made to go to D3 and suffer the consequences. One only has to look at last weeks result to see that the league's decision was justified in placing them in D5. If Kilburn are now to move on their own volition to now be placed in D7, Brahma Lodge would have cause to say that they should have been placed even lower.
The solutions are not easy nor straight forward.
1. Kilburn remain in D3 and be flogged every week with a possible SAAFL score kicked against them at some stage during the season.
2. Kilburn fold due to the beatings sustained. If they fold before Round 9 all scores will be wiped and treated as a bye if they fold after round 9
the second half of the season will be treated as a bye and all scores remain from the first round unless they post a forfeit in the first round
in which all scores will be wiped and treated as a bye
3 If they fold during the season and re-appear the following season they will have to re-enter the league from D7 next year
4. The Club by the league recommendation and club agreement that they be moved to the vacant position in D7 and all previous scores in D3 be
null and void and it to be declared a bye if they move before the completeion of round 9 which in turn will mean that the would start with a
negative win/loss ration in D7.
5. The open spot in D4 next year could open the way for a club from outside of the league to gain entry at a higher level as a one time only deal.
All of the above points need to be considered as each one will have ramifications for every club in the SAAFL.
Hard decision to be made by Men/Women who can make them in this league.
by Q. » Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:17 pm
FOURTH ESTATE wrote:4. The Club by the league recommendation and club agreement that they be moved to the vacant position in D7 and all previous scores in D3 be
null and void and it to be declared a bye if they move before the completeion of round 9 which in turn will mean that the would start with a
negative win/loss ration in D7.
by Jetters » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:46 pm
Q. wrote:FOURTH ESTATE wrote:4. The Club by the league recommendation and club agreement that they be moved to the vacant position in D7 and all previous scores in D3 be
null and void and it to be declared a bye if they move before the completeion of round 9 which in turn will mean that the would start with a
negative win/loss ration in D7.
You can't just add Kilburn to the bye now. What if Kilburn are so bad that the teams given an automatic 60-point win aren't given the opportunity to bolster percentage? What if Kilburn are good enough to beat other clubs, is it fair that some be given an automatic two premiership points?
by Robb_Stark » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:06 am
by Footy Chick » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:15 am
Gatt_Weasel wrote:if they (Walkerville) dont win the flag ill run around the block of my street naked :) you can grab a chair and enjoy the view
by Phantom Gossiper » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:18 am
BullshitRobb_Stark wrote:went down watched them train seen the soccer and football teams share the main oval they said they had 37 players registered yet the best at trainning this year is 15 that was the other week
by Robb_Stark » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:24 am
by Phantom Gossiper » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:31 am
Robb_Stark wrote:P.G we took a mate down to kilburn who had never played football we watched him train with there group and we counted 15 players trainning now our mate who is crap at football decided he didnt want to play cause some of the people out there just as bad as him
by Robb_Stark » Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:39 am
Phantom Gossiper wrote:Robb_Stark wrote:P.G we took a mate down to kilburn who had never played football we watched him train with there group and we counted 15 players trainning now our mate who is crap at football decided he didnt want to play cause some of the people out there just as bad as him
Do you ever go to your own training sessions?
by beeroclock » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:33 am
by Q. » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:42 am
Robb_Stark wrote:so F.C what your saying is they could not act on it before the season started ??? but all of a sudden they can now..............a nice paying job id assume im more then happy to make the tough decisions before things like this happen and the league is made to look silly
P.G we took a mate down to kilburn who had never played football we watched him train with there group and we counted 15 players trainning now our mate who is crap at football decided he didnt want to play cause some of the people out there just as bad as him
by Robb_Stark » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:53 am
Q. wrote:Robb_Stark wrote:so F.C what your saying is they could not act on it before the season started ??? but all of a sudden they can now..............a nice paying job id assume im more then happy to make the tough decisions before things like this happen and the league is made to look silly
P.G we took a mate down to kilburn who had never played football we watched him train with there group and we counted 15 players trainning now our mate who is crap at football decided he didnt want to play cause some of the people out there just as bad as him
They can't make Kilburn go anywhere.
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