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Posted: **Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:22 pm**

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Brodlach wrote:I think it’s too simplistic to just blame the former president, others would have known what was occurring.

Anyone know how they were paid and who actually paid them?
Usually the treasurer would do that.

Guess who the Treasurer was…….

Errrr…that would be the President. How naive, albeit now we know, for the Gaza faithful to put their trust in him. The guy is a con and I hope he gets the 10 years he so richly deserves. He probably should end up in the slammer for what he’s done to the loyal people at that club.

No wonder the SANFL came down on him hard in the first instance.

And yes Bedge they need to receive all the sanctions, but a lot of really good and ‘naive’ people will also have to pay the penalty for someone who lied and refused to cooperate with SANFL. My gut feel is the club will get it all reduced to ensure the GOOD people of the club get to fight on and keep them alive.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:05 am**

Willaston.....$8000
Jervois,........$16 000
Gaza.............$300 000

Willaston dead set lucky!

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:06 am**

tigerpie wrote:Willaston.....$8000
Jervois,........$16 000
Gaza.............$300 000

Willaston dead set lucky!

Wasn't Willaston only one breach of which they pleaded guilty?

Hardly comparing apples with apples.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:04 am**

tigerpie wrote:Willaston.....$8000
Jervois,........$16 000
Gaza.............$300 000

Willaston dead set lucky!

There is the difference between co-operating and not

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:15 am**

The Bedge wrote:
whufc wrote:I think the general consensus is that yes Gaza f***ed up but for an entire club to have to fold due to the behavior of 3-4-5 people is probably a tad harsh, especially given the climate where volunteers are so hard to come by its not like members of clubs can often be very selective when electing a new committee.

You're kidding yourself.

The penalty cant be disproportionate because you have the warm and fuzzys about the club. what you're effectively saying is "Hey the more you cheat, the more you get off".

Reality is they systematically broke the rules over a prolonged period of time - not just one or two years. Clubs like Willaston and Jervois copped their whack for their breaches and no one batted an eye lid, saw it as fair.. why coz it wasn't threatening to close the doors like Gaza? Also two clubs that fully complied with the SANFL.

Willaston:A summary of the penalties is as follows
$8,000 fine ($2k suspended)
Loss of 6 premiership points - 2 for 2018 and 4 for 2019.
Loss of three points under the Approved Player Points System (APPS) in both season 2019 and 2020
Two officials banned from holding position for 12 month.

Jervois: A summary of the penalties is as follows:
$26,500 fine ($9,500 of which is suspended)
Limited to a total of four points allocated under the Approved Player Points System (APPS) in both season 2024 and 2025
Loss of 8 premiership points in 2023 and 2024 (four points per year).

Not saying they shouldn't be punished. Just saying i dont think any club should receive a death sentence

Do you think members would have know it was going on. I'm the b grade coach at our club and honestly i wouldn't/dont have a single clue what any player is on. I dont need to know, i dont want to know, it wouldn't help my coaching performance knowing and its not a subject that gets spoken about by players etc.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 9:27 am**

whufc wrote:Not saying they shouldn't be punished. Just saying i dont think any club should receive a death sentence

Do you think members would have know it was going on. I'm the b grade coach at our club and honestly i wouldn't/dont have a single clue what any player is on. I dont need to know, i dont want to know, it wouldn't help my coaching performance knowing and its not a subject that gets spoken about by players etc.

People are elected into positions by these said members.. you can't claim ignorance as an excuse.

It's sad thinking a club may fold off the back of this - but if the penalties are not consistent, and people know they'll get away with softer punishment through the simple fact that comp wont want to see them fold - then what message does that send? If you're gonna break the rules, go hard because your penalty will be capped / reduced?

You don't think Jervois's penalties had the potential to have massive implications on their club?

If Gaza are receiving a death sentence, it's because they've earned it.. $300k in fines is huge.. but so is going that far over the cap in consecutive years.. if you got the money to break the law, you got the money to pay the fine..

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:26 am**

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Brodlach wrote:I think it’s too simplistic to just blame the former president, others would have known what was occurring.

Anyone know how they were paid and who actually paid them?
Usually the treasurer would do that.

Guess who the Treasurer was…….

Clive Palmer?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:55 pm**

I find a $300 000 fine an exercise in futility . There's no way they are paying that back.
They'd struggle to pay back $30 000 by the sounds.
SANFL would need to suspend $300 000 of it which is a joke.
The monetary penalty has to be smaller but on field bigger.
Zero points for 5 years and sent to the lowest grade possible.
President, treasurer to be banned from holding office for ever.
If SANFL want to get really serious criminal penalties for players and officials.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:17 pm**

What crimes have they committed out of interest? Money in this instance hasn’t been stolen.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:23 pm**

Falsely signing a statutory declaration would be a crime?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 1:44 pm**

Only if they were sworn in accordance with the Oaths Act which I gather these may not have been.

I wonder if an attempt to swear a false stat dec is an offence.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:18 pm**

Aren't they defrauding the tax man/woman?
It's fraudulent activity for sure isn't it?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:55 pm**

tigerpie wrote:Aren't they defrauding the tax man/woman?
It's fraudulent activity for sure isn't it?

You’re walking on dangerous ground there. Be careful what you wish for…

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:01 pm**

LaughingKookaburra wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Aren't they defrauding the tax man/woman?
It's fraudulent activity for sure isn't it?

You’re walking on dangerous ground there. Be careful what you wish for…

No ones gonna waste there time on a handful of people gaining some bucks off the back of a NFP sporting group.. bigger fish to fry in the world.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:04 pm**

LaughingKookaburra wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Aren't they defrauding the tax man/woman?
It's fraudulent activity for sure isn't it?

You’re walking on dangerous ground there. Be careful what you wish for…

I'm not wishing for anything just curious.

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:06 pm**

The Bedge wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Aren't they defrauding the tax man/woman?
It's fraudulent activity for sure isn't it?

You’re walking on dangerous ground there. Be careful what you wish for…

No ones gonna waste there time on a handful of people gaining some bucks off the back of a NFP sporting group.. bigger fish to fry in the world.

See you say that, but if you think about it Australia wide there's a shitload of potential income not being assessed and taxed ....

From memory some of the Victorian League's have salary caps of $200k or thereabouts

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:13 pm**

jo172 wrote:
The Bedge wrote:
LaughingKookaburra wrote:
tigerpie wrote:Aren't they defrauding the tax man/woman?
It's fraudulent activity for sure isn't it?

You’re walking on dangerous ground there. Be careful what you wish for…

No ones gonna waste there time on a handful of people gaining some bucks off the back of a NFP sporting group.. bigger fish to fry in the world.

See you say that, but if you think about it Australia wide there's a shitload of potential income not being assessed and taxed ....

From memory some of the Victorian League's have salary caps of $200k or thereabouts

Pretty sure payment for recreational activities is tax free

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:18 pm**

wenchbarwer wrote:Pretty sure payment for recreational activities is tax free

Is that under a certain threshold only though?

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:20 pm**

The Bedge wrote:
wenchbarwer wrote:Pretty sure payment for recreational activities is tax free

Is that under a certain threshold only though?

Good point, but I would imagine the dollars Gaza were paying would be under that, as I know a few country clubs offering 5 hundred a game were tax free

Posted: **Mon Feb 19, 2024 4:26 pm**

https://www.mondaq.com/australia/contract-of-employment/972202/payg-withholding--should-amateur-sporting-clubs-be-withholding-tax-from-match-payments-they-make-to-players

Interesting read, seems there's lots of grey areas

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