SA Footy

Phantom Gossiper wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote:Stop saying you volunteer your time when you are paid for your time!

Volunteers can be paid in cash, given non-cash benefits or given a combination of both cash and non-cash benefits. These payments are given various descriptions, including honorariums reimbursements (an honorarium can describe:an honorary reward for voluntary services; a fee for professional services voluntarily rendered) and allowances

Where a person’s activities are a pastime or hobby – rather than income producing – money and other benefits received from those activities are not assessable income

A payment that is not assessable to a volunteer will have many of the following characteristics.

The payment is to meet incurred or anticipated expenses.
The payment has no connection to the recipient’s income-producing activities or services.
The payment is not received as remuneration or as a consequence of employment.
The payment is not relied upon or expected by the recipient for day-to-day living.
The payment is not legally required or expected.
There is no obligation on the part of the payer to make the payment.
The payment is a token amount compared to the services provided or expenses incurred by the recipient. Whether the payment is token depends on the full facts surrounding the payment and recipient’s circumstances.

So in short - yes a volunteer can be paid and they still are classed as a volunteer.

tkr wrote:

The_Informer wrote:

Bombers4EVA wrote:Im pretty sure he wouldnt have cracked it and walked off unless it was abuse directed towards him in some sense. Over many years of contributing to the club and copping it for the decisions he makes. I too would find it hard to want to do it week in and week out.

Like I said, the umpires volunteer their own times to make it possible for the players to play footy. Without them there would be no games to play.

Mate you should really get off your high horse, what's the difference then when it is the time keeper yelling abuse at the umps or the blokes wearing the club guernsey trying there best or is that too close to home for you?

I know the timekeeper for the B grade game last week and I'm positive he didn't abuse the umpire!

Bombers4EVA wrote:

Phantom Gossiper wrote:

Mr Beefy wrote:Stop saying you volunteer your time when you are paid for your time!

Volunteers can be paid in cash, given non-cash benefits or given a combination of both cash and non-cash benefits. These payments are given various descriptions, including honorariums reimbursements (an honorarium can describe:an honorary reward for voluntary services; a fee for professional services voluntarily rendered) and allowances

Where a person’s activities are a pastime or hobby – rather than income producing – money and other benefits received from those activities are not assessable income

A payment that is not assessable to a volunteer will have many of the following characteristics.

The payment is to meet incurred or anticipated expenses.
The payment has no connection to the recipient’s income-producing activities or services.
The payment is not received as remuneration or as a consequence of employment.
The payment is not relied upon or expected by the recipient for day-to-day living.
The payment is not legally required or expected.
There is no obligation on the part of the payer to make the payment.
The payment is a token amount compared to the services provided or expenses incurred by the recipient. Whether the payment is token depends on the full facts surrounding the payment and recipient’s circumstances.

So in short - yes a volunteer can be paid and they still are classed as a volunteer.

Thank you Phantom.

The_Informer wrote:If we went by Phantoms post, the highlighted part would mean we would have to pay hardly any umps we have!

Phantom Gossiper wrote:

HH3 wrote:But would people many be "volunteering" if there was no money involved? Doubt it.

Probably not as many, i'm sure you would still get some - those who want to stay involved/fit, or kids who do boundary/goals/scoreboard. The money is obviously just an added incentive to get people to put their hand up to help out.

X Runna wrote:Just looking through the ladder & draw, the next 7 weeks are going to be monumental between the top 4 sides. Fitzroy & Lockleys seem to be in a battle for 5th spot.

Would anyone care to predict the ladder at the end of round 18?

X Runna wrote:Just looking through the ladder & draw, the next 7 weeks are going to be monumental between the top 4 sides. Fitzroy & Lockleys seem to be in a battle for 5th spot.

Would anyone care to predict the ladder at the end of round 18?

the milky bar kid wrote:Can we start a Mawson Lakes thread so these guys can sort internal affairs over there?

It's seriously taking away from the usual quality standard of the div 6 thread!

morell wrote:I've hit the like button too many times... but

If you're getting paid, you're not a volunteer! It's a simple concept people.

Also, if I make a bad decision at work I get chastised for it. If I make a bad decision with the football (where I am actually a volunteer), I get chastised for it. If you're an umpire at a senior level, and getting money to do so, you should be prepared to cop a bit of friendly discourse on your bad decisions.

This holier than thou untouchable and unapproachable bullshit in regards to umpires is in my opinion making matters worse.

morell wrote:I've hit the like button too many times... but

If you're getting paid, you're not a volunteer! It's a simple concept people.

Also, if I make a bad decision at work I get chastised for it. If I make a bad decision with the football (where I am actually a volunteer), I get chastised for it. If you're an umpire at a senior level, and getting money to do so, you should be prepared to cop a bit of friendly discourse on your bad decisions.

This holier than thou untouchable and unapproachable bullshit in regards to umpires is in my opinion making matters worse.

The_Informer wrote:

the milky bar kid wrote:Can we start a Mawson Lakes thread so these guys can sort internal affairs over there?

It's seriously taking away from the usual quality standard of the div 6 thread!

Yeah sorry, we havent heard the dribble on how good you think you are for a couple of pages.