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Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:00 pm
by whufc
Dogwatcher wrote:I've recently heard talk a Gawler club is thinking about joining SAAFL.


Gawler Central??

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:02 pm
by Dutchy
human_torpedo wrote:We are an Old Scholars club - No juniors. No Netball. We operate on $0 playing budget and would be so far from competitive in that league it wouldn't be funny.. Some contributing factors


So you should see what Hackham are trying to achieve then? very similar predicament to you, expect you are in the league that suits your needs.

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:05 pm
by Dutchy
human_torpedo wrote:Its a ridiculous discussion to even have.. SFL bloke just trying to shuffle their sh!t onto another league and kicking up a stink when the league knock them back


Please show me where I've said that?

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:07 pm
by human_torpedo
I can see why Hackham would want to join. I said I can see why the league don't want to accommodate them at this stage. They aren't the right fit for the league in its current structure

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:10 pm
by Dogwatcher
whufc wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:I've recently heard talk a Gawler club is thinking about joining SAAFL.


Gawler Central??


Nah, I was just joking. Wanted to see if any heads exploded ;)

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:10 pm
by Old_mate21
I think Dutchy is right about wouldn't we rather see a club keeps its doors open next year and play in a division where they would be competitive. yeah they may have off-field issues but no more than other clubs and if they were in a comp where they were a chance most weeks that could help change the culture of the place. Everyone is complaining about travel times etc but shouldn't all the clubs in div 6 be striving to move up the grades anyway and not think that they would be travelling that distance every year.

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:12 pm
by marbles
Old_mate21 wrote:I think Dutchy is right about wouldn't we rather see a club keeps its doors open next year and play in a division where they would be competitive. yeah they may have off-field issues but no more than other clubs and if they were in a comp where they were a chance most weeks that could help change the culture of the place. Everyone is complaining about travel times etc but shouldn't all the clubs in div 6 be striving to move up the grades anyway and not think that they would be travelling that distance every year.


id rather drive to hackham, than to houghton trinity or eastern park :D

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:16 pm
by The Bedge
Old_mate21 wrote:I think Dutchy is right about wouldn't we rather see a club keeps its doors open next year and play in a division where they would be competitive. yeah they may have off-field issues but no more than other clubs and if they were in a comp where they were a chance most weeks that could help change the culture of the place. Everyone is complaining about travel times etc but shouldn't all the clubs in div 6 be striving to move up the grades anyway and not think that they would be travelling that distance every year.

Maybe they can play Hills league then

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:17 pm
by Footy Chick
marbles wrote:
Old_mate21 wrote:I think Dutchy is right about wouldn't we rather see a club keeps its doors open next year and play in a division where they would be competitive. yeah they may have off-field issues but no more than other clubs and if they were in a comp where they were a chance most weeks that could help change the culture of the place. Everyone is complaining about travel times etc but shouldn't all the clubs in div 6 be striving to move up the grades anyway and not think that they would be travelling that distance every year.


id rather drive to hackham, than to houghton trinity or eastern park :D


Off you go then, don't get lost ;)

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:21 pm
by The Bedge
Footy Chick wrote:Off you go then, don't get lost ;)

but if you did get lost, that would be fine also ;) :D

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:22 pm
by marbles
Footy Chick wrote:
marbles wrote:
Old_mate21 wrote:I think Dutchy is right about wouldn't we rather see a club keeps its doors open next year and play in a division where they would be competitive. yeah they may have off-field issues but no more than other clubs and if they were in a comp where they were a chance most weeks that could help change the culture of the place. Everyone is complaining about travel times etc but shouldn't all the clubs in div 6 be striving to move up the grades anyway and not think that they would be travelling that distance every year.


id rather drive to hackham, than to houghton trinity or eastern park :D


Off you go then, don't get lost ;)


better pingas down there :)

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:26 pm
by Dutchy
I haven't heard anyone disagree that Edwardstown's and MVPFC's move to the SAAFL isn't the right thing for their clubs, they didn't add much value to the SFL in their current form and the SAAFL is a good match for them.

Same with Hackham, yet they get denied, there is little difference between the 3 clubs IMO.

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:36 pm
by Trader
The SAAFL have spent a lot of time and effort over the last 5 years clearing out the riff raff.
To add Hackham now, with discipline issues and problems with player numbers would be welcoming another problem to deal with.

Very logical for the SAAFL to say no thanks.

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:02 pm
by Esteban Vihaio
Dutchy wrote:I haven't heard anyone disagree that Edwardstown's and MVPFC's move to the SAAFL isn't the right thing for their clubs, they didn't add much value to the SFL in their current form and the SAAFL is a good match for them.

Same with Hackham, yet they get denied, there is little difference between the 3 clubs IMO.


The difference is that Smackham have a long history of poor discipline. In addition to the on field incident last year was the off field incident involving an AFL coach. IMO I'd be surprised if any SFL player or official would provide a positive reference for the club. Plus, the SAAFL run a much tighter tribunal system IMO. The SAAFL could not afford the overtime costs for thr tribunal and Hackham may not be able to fill the team sheets due to suspensions :D

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:05 pm
by am Bays
Dutchy wrote:I haven't heard anyone disagree that Edwardstown's and MVPFC's move to the SAAFL isn't the right thing for their clubs, they didn't add much value to the SFL in their current form and the SAAFL is a good match for them.

Same with Hackham, yet they get denied, there is little difference between the 3 clubs IMO.


Only about 20 kms and about 10 goals (minimum) :D

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:21 pm
by Dutchy
Esteban Vihaio wrote:
Dutchy wrote:I haven't heard anyone disagree that Edwardstown's and MVPFC's move to the SAAFL isn't the right thing for their clubs, they didn't add much value to the SFL in their current form and the SAAFL is a good match for them.

Same with Hackham, yet they get denied, there is little difference between the 3 clubs IMO.


The difference is that Smackham have a long history of poor discipline. In addition to the on field incident last year was the off field incident involving an AFL coach. IMO I'd be surprised if any SFL player or official would provide a positive reference for the club. Plus, the SAAFL run a much tighter tribunal system IMO. The SAAFL could not afford the overtime costs for thr tribunal and Hackham may not be able to fill the team sheets due to suspensions :D


Agree it isn't perfect, but look at recent issues at Rosewater and Gepps Cross, find it hard to swallow that the SAAFL are being the moral police here

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:39 pm
by Esteban Vihaio
Dutchy wrote:
Esteban Vihaio wrote:
Dutchy wrote:I haven't heard anyone disagree that Edwardstown's and MVPFC's move to the SAAFL isn't the right thing for their clubs, they didn't add much value to the SFL in their current form and the SAAFL is a good match for them.

Same with Hackham, yet they get denied, there is little difference between the 3 clubs IMO.


The difference is that Smackham have a long history of poor discipline. In addition to the on field incident last year was the off field incident involving an AFL coach. IMO I'd be surprised if any SFL player or official would provide a positive reference for the club. Plus, the SAAFL run a much tighter tribunal system IMO. The SAAFL could not afford the overtime costs for thr tribunal and Hackham may not be able to fill the team sheets due to suspensions :D


Agree it isn't perfect, but look at recent issues at Rosewater and Gepps Cross, find it hard to swallow that the SAAFL are being the moral police here


Do you keep digging when you are in a hole?

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:45 pm
by human_torpedo
Start digging up Chief.. Given recent issues the SAAFL have been dealing with, why would they let in another potential problem? Why take on that burden when they have no obligation to? If you cant work that out then all hope is lost for you Dutchy..

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:48 pm
by Down the Hill
Dutchy wrote:
Down the Hill wrote:It wasn't Marion who were rejected and Marbles is off his Marbles because charging at the gate has nothing to do with it. I think all SFL clubs understand that gate charges are not permitted in the SAAFL other than finals. The money that Marion and Brighton make on their gates would not be a factor in deciding to change leagues.

My understanding is that the rejected club may have been for various reasons in which one was concerns over the clubs on-field disciplinary record. Probably a bit harsh but some media coverage of an incident late last year wouldn't have helped.

For what its worth. The Brighton SGM notice posted above has been amended since first released. The vote to change leagues requires a 50% plus 1 majority. There was some initial confusion due to some elements of the clubs constitution that require a 75% majority.


Ive never seen Brighton collect on the gates in recent years anyway DTH?

So 50% to 75% now back to 50%?

One would think they will get more than 50%, what is the general feel DTH?


The local Rotary club do our gates Dutchy, on a split system so we make a few dollars and do our bit for charity similar to what Marion appear to do with Lions. We certainly budget each year for some income from gate takings but this is only a drop in the ocean for the overall cost of running our club. We only operate the gates from 11am so you may have arrived earlier in your previous visits to Brighton. But when you come here in a few weeks I would be happy to hunt you down for $5 even if you arrive earlier than 11am. I would prefer not to comment on the likelihood of us moving. That is best left to the vote on 2 August.

Re: New Clubs for 2017

PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:51 pm
by Dutchy
Fair enough, thats why I haven't seen anyone on the gates