Jimmy_041 wrote:jo172 wrote:Jimmy_041 wrote:jo172 wrote:I understand your point Jimmy, and the vast majority of all zero pointers will be people registering for the first time in senior footy.
You do get some odd anomalies though. Take Brad Hartman, whose first registration with a senior club was with the Geelong Football Club. I'd say salary cap or no salary cap, TPPS or no TPPS Sturt, SPOC and Murray Bridge Ramblers are going to have a hard time competing with Geelong for where Brad wanted to play football.
The AFL system doesn't work out for Brad, and he elects to not go into the SANFL system.
By virtue of his sporting scholarship at Saints he's a zero pointer for SPOC (along with Ramblers) whereas had he desired to play at any other Community Club governed by TPPS he would have been 4 points (on the assumption he played mostly SANFL/VFL seniors the preceding year).
My suspicion is that this is the kind of case which annoys the above posters more, rather than 18 year olds electing their first senior club.
To play the devil's advocate, are blokes like Hartman such an anomaly that this isn't really worth worrying about? Is the League better-off, in the event that Hartman is such an anomaly, that blokes his caliber are playing in the C9AFL rather than in the BLG, GSFL, HFL etc.?
I think they are an anomaly. Would you be worrying about it if he had gone to Ramblers? How many of the PAOC A Grade were scholarship students?
I also think the much bigger problem is some district clubs hogging all of the juniors and other clubs can't build their junior system even though they watch car loads drive past their oval every Sunday
When is the SANFL or NEMJFA going to address this problem? In fact, I have no doubt the NEMJFA will never do anything about it.
A subject for a different thread, but the SANFL juniors position on this (and I'm well aware that you're trying to stir people up/deflect from the current discussion) is patently absurd. I liked the Golden Grove point of view. If they're not allowed to fill two teams where will their second team go? TTG? Also have two teams, so now that's 2 teams worth of footballers looking for new clubs. Where should they go? Modbury? Also have two teams, now we've got three teams worth of players looking for new clubs.
The SANFL's one team per age group policy is a brilliant one if the aim is to get more kids playing soccer and basketball.
EDIT - if someone really wants to get into this please put this into the juniors thread. I'm also of the view that where possible having Red & White teams is far more beneficial for junior development.
No, not deflecting at all. Just putting a mirror up.
I don't subscribe to the socialist doctrine of dragging everyone down to the same common low denominator because you can't sort your own $hit out so hit out at those that have.
As I asked; how many of the PAOC A (or B) Grade were scholarship students?
I've got no heavenly idea. From what I understand Castree was?
I suspect very few sporting scholarship students end up in the Community Football system as most are good enough to make it to the AFL and/or League level. I also understand many are from the Country and in the event they don't make it (or wash out of the Big Leagues) will more than likely end up in the Country Leagues.
My only dramas with the College TPPS system is being able to claim 3 years as sufficient without sports pulse records etc. to actually measure the 20 games. My understanding is that there are plans to rectify this? My only point here is that I can think of more than a few blokes who would go through our juniors and just miss out on 20 games between 13 and 16 (or is it 18?).
If a kid is good enough to be involved in the state programs, league clubs and plays college football he may narrowly miss playing 20 games (but still be good for 3-4 each year) and be involved in the place for five years.
I'm well on record as saying the substantial reason for PAOC's success (particularly down the grades) is that PAC has been the best football school for 7-8 years now. You can draw a line from SHOC being a similar powerhouse 4-5 years ago after Sacred Hart came off a 10 year stretch of being the best football school.