Adelaide Footy League Division 5 - 2017

[scottroo]

Probably would be a zero then, I'm guessing cbcoc don't have points issues and just covering themselves as school games are difficult to prove

[Dolphin Treasure]

Probably would be a zero then, I'm guessing cbcoc don't have points issues and just covering themselves as school games are difficult to prove

You have probably hit the nail on the head. He's the only player worth points.

[Dutchy]

To use Dutchy's ad hominem style of argument I'd suggest its symbolic of non-metropolitan club's extreme need for recruits in order to prop up failing competitions?

In the SFL rarely does anyone max out their points, mainly cause most top teams are full of players who have come through juniors. The -1 encourages this and surely that is the best for any footy club? If you have juniors it reduces your reliance on $$ and recruits.

If you have a kid your club has developed all his football life currently playing SANFL under 18's and they have a bye, why wouldn't you play him? Why shouldn't he be considered -1?

[The Bedge]

In the SFL rarely does anyone max out their points, mainly cause most top teams are full of players who have come through juniors

So if teams are full of players who have come through juniors, what does it matter if those juniors are zero points then? What benefit for being (-1)?

The -1 encourages this

How? How does (-1) encourage a junior player to stick around the club?

If you have juniors it reduces your reliance on $$ and recruits

Correct - and that in turn reduces your reliance on points, does it not?

[jo172]

To use Dutchy's ad hominem style of argument I'd suggest its symbolic of non-metropolitan club's extreme need for recruits in order to prop up failing competitions?

In the SFL rarely does anyone max out their points, mainly cause most top teams are full of players who have come through juniors. The -1 encourages this and surely that is the best for any footy club? If you have juniors it reduces your reliance on $$ and recruits.

If you have a kid your club has developed all his football life currently playing SANFL under 18's and they have a bye, why wouldn't you play him? Why shouldn't he be considered -1?

Dutchy, I get your point and agree with most of what you say. I've said why they shouldn't be -1. Why shouldn't they be zero?

Why should someone who is an under 18 cut off by 1 day be minus 1 whereas a person 1 day older be zero?

[Dutchy]

Fair point, but Im guessing the points system was put in place with the view that the full point allocation would be used, and clubs that do max it out would be encouraged to at least play some kids in their recruit driven team by providing a discount.

[Down the Hill]

I'm surprised with the ongoing confusion and speculation regarding player points. The SACFL APPS rules are fairly clear and easy to access. You can only claim -1 point for a player if he is still a "junior player" (turning 18 or younger in the current season) and has played 25 or more junior/school games for your club/affiliated school from the year he turned 13. This is the same criteria used for a player returning to your club on zero points such as Michael Doughty heading back to Reynella from the AFL a few years back.

You can only claim a maximum of -2 in any one game even if you have 3 or more that fit the criteria. It also has nothing to do with the relevant leagues Senior Colts age category. A lad who turns 19 this September is eligible for the AdFL U18 comp but is too old to be a -1 player if he plays A grade. But a Victor Harbor FC player who is too old for the GSFL Senior Colts U17.5 because he turned 18 in May this year, can still be a -1 player in the Victor A grade because he is still defined as a junior player.

I think it is a decent rule particularly for AdFL clubs because it gives clubs some wriggle room during the season remembering that the AdFL allow 17 points in finals but 15 in the minor round.

[Robb_Stark]

How are teams still getting clearances ?

[jo172]

How are teams still getting clearances ?

Genuine permits. Basically intra club permits from SANFL juniors to Adelaide Footy League and genuine work/study relocations

[Down the Hill]

The clearance page doesn't distinguish between a full clearance and a permit. The only clearances finalised in the last 2 weeks were applied for before 1 July which is the key i.e. Must be lodged by 30 June. The others are mostly from SANFL Juniors which would be lads who are U16.5 being called up to play AdFL U18s or even Seniors. These are just Permits. Many of these are lodged at start of season for lads likely to help out but with school and uni holidays some clubs would be scraping together U18 and lower senior teams these last couple of weeks. Others may include teachers, students etc. back in Adelaide on holidays who I think can play for their old club on a Temporary Transfer or Permit regardless of the 30 June date.

[Robb_Stark]

Glenunga went in and changed the points allocated for the week from 13 points used to 14 points used been claiming on player as minus 1 point when he was clearly not

also heard that the players from uraidla have had permits revoked could Glenunga be like eastern park and lose points for trying to play the system

also Jack Konnis they were claiming as minus 1 point but failed to play the correct amount of junior games to qualify for that point

[Dolphin Treasure]

Glenunga went in and changed the points allocated for the week from 13 points used to 14 points used been claiming on player as minus 1 point when he was clearly not

also heard that the players from uraidla have had permits revoked could Glenunga be like eastern park and lose points for trying to play the system

also Jack Konnis they were claiming as minus 1 point but failed to play the correct amount of junior games to qualify for that point

I'm completely illiterate when it comes to APPS. So I maybe way off the mark here. But I assumed sporting pulse would automatically assign the points to each player? Not the clubs enter their interpretation of how many points they believe the player is, then also have to ability to alter allocated points after the player has played a game at said amount of points?!?

[jo172]

Glenunga went in and changed the points allocated for the week from 13 points used to 14 points used been claiming on player as minus 1 point when he was clearly not

also heard that the players from uraidla have had permits revoked could Glenunga be like eastern park and lose points for trying to play the system

also Jack Konnis they were claiming as minus 1 point but failed to play the correct amount of junior games to qualify for that point

I'm completely illiterate when it comes to APPS. So I maybe way off the mark here. But I assumed sporting pulse would automatically assign the points to each player? Not the clubs enter their interpretation of how many points they believe the player is, then also have to ability to alter allocated points after the player has played a game at said amount of points?!?

Points is up to the Club to assess and enter.

Having said that the League is happy to offer assistance before you play the player.

[Robb_Stark]

Glenunga went in and changed the points allocated for the week from 13 points used to 14 points used been claiming on player as minus 1 point when he was clearly not

also heard that the players from uraidla have had permits revoked could Glenunga be like eastern park and lose points for trying to play the system

also Jack Konnis they were claiming as minus 1 point but failed to play the correct amount of junior games to qualify for that point

I'm completely illiterate when it comes to APPS. So I maybe way off the mark here. But I assumed sporting pulse would automatically assign the points to each player? Not the clubs enter their interpretation of how many points they believe the player is, then also have to ability to alter allocated points after the player has played a game at said amount of points?!?

Points is up to the Club to assess and enter.

Having said that the League is happy to offer assistance before you play the player.

think the league will be more then happy to have a look now the story just gets better and better Glenunga could get in a fair bit of trouble if found guilty

[The Bedge]

Maybe Glenunga's C Grade field umpire takes care of all their admin/ player points..

[jo172]

Glenunga went in and changed the points allocated for the week from 13 points used to 14 points used been claiming on player as minus 1 point when he was clearly not

also heard that the players from uraidla have had permits revoked could Glenunga be like eastern park and lose points for trying to play the system

also Jack Konnis they were claiming as minus 1 point but failed to play the correct amount of junior games to qualify for that point

I'm completely illiterate when it comes to APPS. So I maybe way off the mark here. But I assumed sporting pulse would automatically assign the points to each player? Not the clubs enter their interpretation of how many points they believe the player is, then also have to ability to alter allocated points after the player has played a game at said amount of points?!?

Points is up to the Club to assess and enter.

Having said that the League is happy to offer assistance before you play the player.

think the league will be more then happy to have a look now the story just gets better and better Glenunga could get in a fair bit of trouble if found guilty

All the League tends to do if a team plays above the prescribed APPS is to award the game to their opponent. Even if Glenunga had a problem on Saturday they lost the game regardless.

[Bullrider]

Spot on Jo172, Glenunga lost the game. They are under the APPS points so there is no issues, apart from losing the game.
Jack Konnis has played over 25 junior games at Glenunga since Under 13's and went to Hectorville to play as Glenunga did not have a team in his age group last year.
He lives a drop punt from Webb Oval and is a rippa kid and the future of the club.
Looks like Tony's brother has issues at home.

[Mr Beefy]

Spot on Jo172, Glenunga lost the game. They are under the APPS points so there is no issues, apart from losing the game.
Jack Konnis has played over 25 junior games at Glenunga since Under 13's and went to Hectorville to play as Glenunga did not have a team in his age group last year.
He lives a drop punt from Webb Oval and is a rippa kid and the future of the club.
Looks like Tony's brother has issues at home.

Under points yes, but what about the permit/s?

[number2]

This is a lot of crap about points allocations!

Who cares who has what points. The league would act if there were any rules being broken so move on this is boring.

[number2]

On the footy side of things i genuinely have no idea who is going to win it this year. Really going to come down to home finals i think so at this stage i would say Glenunga play CBCOC.

not really going out on a limb picking 1 & 2 as it stands but they both have to play Greenacres and if spots come down to percentage i back them for top 2