GSFL Movements

[Toughcall]

LF, how do you broker a deal with another club and make $$ out of players who will cost you points. Everyone is in the same boat from top to bottom with the allocated points and Saints were one team that suprisingly voted for it.

[Grape Ape]

The Baxter mentioned above, is that Ashley Baxter, ex south?

Red hair, hard working loose canon with dodgy disposal? Seems to fit the description.

[LuvsFooty]

LF, how do you broker a deal with another club and make $$ out of players who will cost you points. Everyone is in the same boat from top to bottom with the allocated points and Saints were one team that suprisingly voted for it.

I dont how we actually got discussion back on to the points system beacuse its hear to stay and I dont know if you could broker a deal to make $$$, but anything is possible. Perhaps a fee to release them without penalty from a contract? Its been done before! We quite like the system I was just pointing out a few instances that we have come across that could prove costly and i know for a fact that up to 4 other clubs have similar issues. the system in general has merit just needs a re-vamp to speed up the process otherwise the comp will be lopsided for a few more years to come. I think in a town like Goolwa with a population of 5500 you will have 'new' people moving to the area, its just a hard pill to swallow when you cant play them and they have moved to the town for a genuine reason other than footy.

[Toughcall]

Fully agree LF, it needs a revamp already, but there was always going to be teething problems and those changes will most probably occur at the end of the year. There is no doubt the system has merit.

[Grape Ape]

I think in a town like Goolwa with a population of 5500 you will have 'new' people moving to the area, its just a hard pill to swallow when you cant play them and they have moved to the town for a genuine reason other than footy.

That does seem a bit silly. It also prevents players joining a club of their own accord. If someone is playing A grade in the SFL and they decide they want to play with mates at Goolwa, they can't play A Grade at Goolwa 'cos they're a three point player.

Its going to be almost impossible for fringe A Grade players to switch clubs from now on.

[Angus Harberry]

who has the tips for this years ladder! you would be brave not to pik deamans once again!?

[jackpot jim]

who has the tips for this years ladder! you would be brave not to pik deamans once again!?

Willunga
Creeks
Cocks (Strath)

Others.

Not much will change, not that i'd know or really care much for that matter.

I'll make another BOLD prediction and that is that the umpires will again be under fire from everyone from the coach to the hot dog maker.

As i said, 'Not much will change"

EXCEPT......... i suppose there will a few rule changes again as per usual just to confuse everyone.

anyone know of any that are to be implemented this season?

[shoe boy]

Can someone fill me in regarding Myponga it appears a number of lads have left and gone to the RMFL?

Why is this so??
Will they just make up the numbers in09?
Who is coaching in 09?
Do they have juniours?

[Brock Landers]

LF, how do you broker a deal with another club and make $$ out of players who will cost you points. Everyone is in the same boat from top to bottom with the allocated points and Saints were one team that suprisingly voted for it.

I dont how we actually got discussion back on to the points system beacuse its hear to stay and I dont know if you could broker a deal to make $$$, but anything is possible. Perhaps a fee to release them without penalty from a contract? Its been done before! We quite like the system I was just pointing out a few instances that we have come across that could prove costly and i know for a fact that up to 4 other clubs have similar issues. the system in general has merit just needs a re-vamp to speed up the process otherwise the comp will be lopsided for a few more years to come. I think in a town like Goolwa with a population of 5500 you will have 'new' people moving to the area, its just a hard pill to swallow when you cant play them and they have moved to the town for a genuine reason other than footy.

I thought that someone mentioned at the start of last season that there was a clause that if a club could prove that a player had moved into the area for work, that player would be worth 0 points?

[Mr Goodkat]

BJ Ernest wrote:
words of wisdom wrote:
Come on ladies, how many times does BJ have to tell you Wilunga dont pay players. They just play for the love of the game
On a serious note congrats to my good mates Carnaz & Ness on the healthy arrival of another footballer, little Dion.


WoW im not saying players dont get paid. Does it make everyone feel good to blindly guess what our players are getting paid?? I think worrying about your own nest would be where i looked first. Im telling you noone gets over $200 a game and as far as i know, noone gets that figure either. In the end, and i say this a fair bit, if clubs want to pay money then good on them, if it improves the standard of the comp and attracts some interest then great.

I will say this tho, recruiting guys that are getting old and wont be at the club in 3-5 years i dont believe to be the way to go. The points system is their to encourage guys to stay around, if the players you recruit are only good for 1-2 years of footy then you will never get the full reward (playing wise) from them.


How do you know what other players are on BJ?
I'm not trying to suggest what Willunga pays their players, it's just that I've never known what any of my team mates are on. I always assumed only the treasurer, president and coach would know.

If BJ wouldn't know how much players are on, then how can anyone else be saying that they know for a "FACT"...... quit talking garbage

[Goldberg]

As far as the points system goes, it must be said:

1, Teams in larger towns eg Victor, Goolwa have enjoyed the fact that get players because of their location for many years. (Teacher, Cops, ect.) Now its been capped we hear all this crying.

2, If you allow loop holes like Moving to area, then clubs will simply get the player to register a mail box in the town, to recieve all their mail & they will LEGALLY BE LIVING THERE!! Which is un-deniable, so the leagues hands would be tied.

3, If a club has it's points full then they should be satisfied with what they have or maybe recruit better.

End rant

[LuvsFooty]

As far as the points system goes, it must be said:

1, Teams in larger towns eg Victor, Goolwa have enjoyed the fact that get players because of their location for many years. (Teacher, Cops, ect.) Now its been capped we hear all this crying.

2, If you allow loop holes like Moving to area, then clubs will simply get the player to register a mail box in the town, to recieve all their mail & they will LEGALLY BE LIVING THERE!! Which is un-deniable, so the leagues hands would be tied.

3, If a club has it's points full then they should be satisfied with what they have or maybe recruit better.

End rant

The thing is Goldberg, you cant legally exclude someone from participating in a recreation activity on the basis of a points system. Provided the person is not a contracted player then it would be hard to stop. And with some of the cases I am hearing the people in question are legimately moving from interstate so proof wont be the issue.

[damian]

As far as the points system goes, it must be said:

1, Teams in larger towns eg Victor, Goolwa have enjoyed the fact that get players because of their location for many years. (Teacher, Cops, ect.) Now its been capped we hear all this crying.

2, If you allow loop holes like Moving to area, then clubs will simply get the player to register a mail box in the town, to recieve all their mail & they will LEGALLY BE LIVING THERE!! Which is un-deniable, so the leagues hands would be tied.

3, If a club has it's points full then they should be satisfied with what they have or maybe recruit better.

End rant

Goolwa, large town? I would be interested to know populations of all 10 towns in the league. Would it be something like this, in order of most populated to least?

Victor Harbor
Enc Bay
McLaren
Strathalbyn
Willunga
Goolwa
Mt Compass
Yankalilla
Langhorne Creek
Myponga

Then we can start another argument about McLaren and Willunga being so close to Seaford and Aldinga respectively, both booming 'suburbs' which feed into their clubs, Goolwa having Middleton and Port Elliot in their unofficial 'zone', langhorne creek having players that live in Strath and towns nearby, meningie, milang, Yankalilla is basically attached to Normanville and is relatively close to Cape Jervis and Rapid Bay and Myponga has Sellicks Beach and is also close to Aldinga.

Population shouldn't have anythng to do with the points system, but the system must accommodate for players that have no other option in football, everyone should have the right to play the game at the highest level they can, it will be a very sad day when a footballer living local starts missing regular A grade games because the points system does't allow him to play.

[Goldberg]

Not saying it from the point of view of legitamate cases mate, Pointing out that if you allow it, then clubs WILL cheat the system by my above comments. So yes there will be some hard luck stories from year to year, but its for the greater good.

[Goldberg]

As far as the points system goes, it must be said:

1, Teams in larger towns eg Victor, Goolwa have enjoyed the fact that get players because of their location for many years. (Teacher, Cops, ect.) Now its been capped we hear all this crying.

2, If you allow loop holes like Moving to area, then clubs will simply get the player to register a mail box in the town, to recieve all their mail & they will LEGALLY BE LIVING THERE!! Which is un-deniable, so the leagues hands would be tied.

3, If a club has it's points full then they should be satisfied with what they have or maybe recruit better.

End rant

Goolwa, large town? I would be interested to know populations of all 10 towns in the league. Would it be something like this, in order of most populated to least?

Victor Harbor
Enc Bay
McLaren
Strathalbyn
Willunga
Goolwa
Mt Compass
Yankalilla
Langhorne Creek
Myponga

Then we can start another argument about McLaren and Willunga being so close to Seaford and Aldinga respectively, both booming 'suburbs' which feed into their clubs, Goolwa having Middleton and Port Elliot in their unofficial 'zone', langhorne creek having players that live in Strath and towns nearby, meningie, milang, Yankalilla is basically attached to Normanville and is relatively close to Cape Jervis and Rapid Bay and Myponga has Sellicks Beach and is also close to Aldinga.

Population shouldn't have anythng to do with the points system, but the system must accommodate for players that have no other option in football, everyone should have the right to play the game at the highest level they can, it will be a very sad day when a footballer living local starts missing regular A grade games because the points system does't allow him to play.

Never said the points system had anything to do with population, stated that larger towns had a destinct advantage for many years, & now that has been nulified. Agreed Goolwa might not be as Large tho

[Goldberg]

As far as the points system goes, it must be said:

1, Teams in larger towns eg Victor, Goolwa have enjoyed the fact that get players because of their location for many years. (Teacher, Cops, ect.) Now its been capped we hear all this crying.

2, If you allow loop holes like Moving to area, then clubs will simply get the player to register a mail box in the town, to recieve all their mail & they will LEGALLY BE LIVING THERE!! Which is un-deniable, so the leagues hands would be tied.

3, If a club has it's points full then they should be satisfied with what they have or maybe recruit better.

End rant

The thing is Goldberg, you cant legally exclude someone from participating in a recreation activity on the basis of a points system. Provided the person is not a contracted player then it would be hard to stop. And with some of the cases I am hearing the people in question are legimately moving from interstate so proof wont be the issue.

Good point tho, if a bloke isn't contracted and is living in the town , not sure if he could be stopped from playing there. After all it is Voluntry(spell check). But again it opens up ways of cheating the system doesn't it

Sorry I dont have the answer, but everything mentioned just seems to lead to ways in which clubs will be able to get around points

[hereforthebeer]

it doesnt matter what system you have whether it is points or salary cap, clubs are gonna try and get around it someway. I think the points system is and will be a lot harder to get around than what the salary cap was, there will be no perfect system but it is probably to early to see if this a good system or not only time will tell. I just hope that the league sets the rules firm and doesn't bend for any club, i realise what some guys are saying about players playing the 25 games etc, and people moving into the area, but making exceptions only creates grey areas and then in turn discontentment will the rules if not all clubs are treated the same.

[hereforthebeer]

As far as the points system goes, it must be said:

1, Teams in larger towns eg Victor, Goolwa have enjoyed the fact that get players because of their location for many years. (Teacher, Cops, ect.) Now its been capped we hear all this crying.

2, If you allow loop holes like Moving to area, then clubs will simply get the player to register a mail box in the town, to recieve all their mail & they will LEGALLY BE LIVING THERE!! Which is un-deniable, so the leagues hands would be tied.

3, If a club has it's points full then they should be satisfied with what they have or maybe recruit better.

End rant

The thing is Goldberg, you cant legally exclude someone from participating in a recreation activity on the basis of a points system. Provided the person is not a contracted player then it would be hard to stop. And with some of the cases I am hearing the people in question are legimately moving from interstate so proof wont be the issue.

i dont know my law to well but wouldn't signing a clearance to a club be a contract of some discription saying you were playing footy for that club

[The Yetti]

The way I see the points system
The Salary Cap did not work.
1. It has been brought in to help clubs help themselves.
Example. No Points system Club ABFC recruits a high profile coach. He then recruits 6 players and pays them a fortune
Makes the finals for 2 years .,Club goes broke..Coach leaves, players leave and the locals then build the club up financially again
5 years later the same thing happens.
A Coach who coached Aldinga and Port Elliott was very good at doing this...maybe won a Brownlow.

2.Is Karoonda doing it this year???

3. Yes the point system is difficult to work within, especially if you have 14 and you max out, and make the top five. the next year you only get 11points and 9 already committed

4. What is says to me 1. develop juniors
2. recruit 2 players per year and that leaves room for blowins
3. retain all required 0 point players
4. Encourage past players 0 points to come home

5. Move with the times, Carlton Footy Club really struggled with the National Comp and especially the Draft because they kept on arguing
and wanted the VFL to stay the same which as a rich club suited them.

6. It is a workable system if you try to make it work.

7. It is Willunga that is causing the issues ( Not their fault) They beat the second side Strath by how much in the GF.
So you would think Strath need to recruit 3 real good players (or a new coach) plus retain all last years players
If they need three How many do Goolwa and Myponga need???? No quick fix for them because of the points sytem

8. Plan with a strong football committee for the next 3 years

[Toughcall]

Very good post Yeti. There is no grey area and everyone argued about it before it came in and 8 clubs voted for it including Saints. Rules are rules, go with it and then make amendments at the end of the year like some clubs are preparing to do. The second year was always going to be the toughest with points already allocated.
It doesn't matter as Willunga are a 10 goal better side than the next best (Strath) and with the points every other team will be playing off once again to just be the next best.