GSFL Movements

[Brock Landers]

So did anyone train last night or are training tonight? I saw 3 amatuer league clubs doing their stuff at West Beach last night.
If so how strenuous was it/will it be?

P.S. Congrats to Carnas.

[A Mum]

McLaren boys trained last night BL.
40+ out by all accounts.

I think 'A son' thought he was being sent out to the slaughter when he left
On returning home I asked him if he was still alive.
And he said 'Yeah' wasn't too bad

I think Hilly took it a little bit easier on them than he may have in cooler conditions
I think they still worked pretty solid though.

I see that Port Power trained yesterday in the heat of the day

[cuzzy]

So did anyone train last night or are training tonight? I saw 3 amatuer league clubs doing their stuff at West Beach last night.
If so how strenuous was it/will it be?

P.S. Congrats to Carnas.

bays trained on tuesday in 41 degree heat, 20 players rocked up and all thought that they would be going to the beach, they were horribly wrong, we trained at the bay oval and continued our hard pre season program, plenty of water and a water fan helped us cool down, as most blokes were saying better get used to the weather as trial games will be in this heat and training now will make you better for it. training program remains fun so training doesnt seem to be dragging out in the heat like it normally does.

cant wait for training tnite, 45 in victor today!!

[A Mum]

45 in victor today!!

You know it's hot when it's 45 degrees in Victor Harbor !!

[BJ Ernest]

Come on ladies, how many times does BJ have to tell you Wilunga dont pay players. They just play for the love of the game
On a serious note congrats to my good mates Carnaz & Ness on the healthy arrival of another footballer, little Dion.

WoW im not saying players dont get paid. Does it make everyone feel good to blindly guess what our players are getting paid?? I think worrying about your own nest would be where i looked first. Im telling you noone gets over $200 a game and as far as i know, noone gets that figure either. In the end, and i say this a fair bit, if clubs want to pay money then good on them, if it improves the standard of the comp and attracts some interest then great.

I will say this tho, recruiting guys that are getting old and wont be at the club in 3-5 years i dont believe to be the way to go. The points system is their to encourage guys to stay around, if the players you recruit are only good for 1-2 years of footy then you will never get the full reward (playing wise) from them.

[LuvsFooty]

GPE trained at Horseshoe Bay on Tuesday but just because you are at the beach doesnt mean its easy. Numbers were ok and again some new faces which is good. Probably at the oval tonight but we are lucky because you can bank on the sea breeze being in at 4pm which makes things comfortable.

Excuse my ignorance but who is Gooch and why do we continue to talk about clubs paying out $$$ for players? Every club has done it or is doing it. Its part and parcel of the game and unless your the club treasurer you will probably never know what goes on behind closed doors.

[Brock Landers]

Come on ladies, how many times does BJ have to tell you Wilunga dont pay players. They just play for the love of the game
On a serious note congrats to my good mates Carnaz & Ness on the healthy arrival of another footballer, little Dion.

WoW im not saying players dont get paid. Does it make everyone feel good to blindly guess what our players are getting paid?? I think worrying about your own nest would be where i looked first. Im telling you noone gets over $200 a game and as far as i know, noone gets that figure either. In the end, and i say this a fair bit, if clubs want to pay money then good on them, if it improves the standard of the comp and attracts some interest then great.

I will say this tho, recruiting guys that are getting old and wont be at the club in 3-5 years i dont believe to be the way to go. The points system is their to encourage guys to stay around, if the players you recruit are only good for 1-2 years of footy then you will never get the full reward (playing wise) from them.

How do you know what other players are on BJ?
I'm not trying to suggest what Willunga pays their players, it's just that I've never known what any of my team mates are on. I always assumed only the treasurer, president and coach would know.

[words of wisdom]

Come on ladies, how many times does BJ have to tell you Wilunga dont pay players. They just play for the love of the game
On a serious note congrats to my good mates Carnaz & Ness on the healthy arrival of another footballer, little Dion.

WoW im not saying players dont get paid. Does it make everyone feel good to blindly guess what our players are getting paid?? I think worrying about your own nest would be where i looked first. Im telling you noone gets over $200 a game and as far as i know, noone gets that figure either. In the end, and i say this a fair bit, if clubs want to pay money then good on them, if it improves the standard of the comp and attracts some interest then great.

I will say this tho, recruiting guys that are getting old and wont be at the club in 3-5 years i dont believe to be the way to go. The points system is their to encourage guys to stay around, if the players you recruit are only good for 1-2 years of footy then you will never get the full reward (playing wise) from them.

C'mon BJ I know 4 a fact, maybe not in 09, that players currently playing 4 willunga have got $200-$250. Im also quite comfortable with players getting $$$ in football & my nest . If you can spend it do it. With the point system in for good, we will see players offered outrageous figures ($600+) now & in years to come.

[Grape Ape]

Excuse my ignorance but who is Gooch and why do we continue to talk about clubs paying out $$$ for players? Every club has done it or is doing it. Its part and parcel of the game and unless your the club treasurer you will probably never know what goes on behind closed doors.

‘The Gooch’ is Willunga’s gun forward recruit Matt Guitink. Kicked 112 goals for Kangarilla. Was recruited to add some sex appeal to Willunga’s aesthetically challenged forward line. I think BJ is forgetting about 4 time state country rep Wes Glass who is on a contract for $450 per match plus the president’s daughter. Would be Willunga’s highest paid player and rightly so.

We all know that there is a lot of cash getting thrown around at this time of year and that is the most interesting thing that is happening in footy at the moment. I enjoy the speculation.

[Toughcall]

All clubs ideally would want the recruits to play as long as possible, but with the points the club's will concentate on holding thier juniors (0 points), which is challenging enough. Not all clubs in the association live 30 minutes from Adelaide.

[Grape Ape]

All clubs ideally would want the recruits to play as long as possible, but with the points the club's will concentate on holding thier juniors (0 points), which is challenging enough. Not all clubs in the association live 30 minutes from Adelaide.

Which is why the points system is advantages clubs with a stronger population base. I find it strange that clubs like Myponga & Yank supported it.

[Toughcall]

Every club did with the exception of Victor and Willunga!

[words of wisdom]

All clubs ideally would want the recruits to play as long as possible, but with the points the club's will concentate on holding thier juniors (0 points), which is challenging enough. Not all clubs in the association live 30 minutes from Adelaide.

Which is why the points system is advantages clubs with a stronger population base. I find it strange that clubs like Myponga & Yank supported it.

Agree GA. Its funny that people outside of those clubs can see it....
Is there a proposal going around the GSFL at the moment to change the point system? More points to the lower ranked clubs?

[cuzzy]

All clubs ideally would want the recruits to play as long as possible, but with the points the club's will concentate on holding thier juniors (0 points), which is challenging enough. Not all clubs in the association live 30 minutes from Adelaide.

Which is why the points system is advantages clubs with a stronger population base. I find it strange that clubs like Myponga & Yank supported it.

Agree GA. Its funny that people outside of those clubs can see it....
Is there a proposal going around the GSFL at the moment to change the point system? More points to the lower ranked clubs?

i think there is i think when it was intially put in place lower based clubs would get 14 points, and it was voted in on that basis, i think the league changed it to 11 points and also changed the value of some points in other leagues. For example if the bays want to recruit from the hills league they are valued at 3 points the same as an sanfl player. Thinks most clubs have put a please explain to the league to find out why the system that they voted in has changed.

[LuvsFooty]

At times I dont agree with some of the finer points of the system, but it does certainly make your recruiting department a lot more stratgegic. In the GSFL the dominance of Willunga has probably offset the effectiveness of the system but it was never intended to be an overnight fix. Even in the first year of the system I think the comp was a lot more even than the previuos year. I think you will hear of a few clubs going to the tribunal with matters in the coming months, with some issues. For example we have a player who has played 12 games in 2 years (2 more than the required 10 to be a zero point player) We also have a player who plays with another club that played with us for 2 years but only managed 19 senior games (6 short of the required 25 to be a zero point player). For the lower clubs these are the small descrepencies that are costing us.

[ball breaker]

Gentlemen (or ladies!) .... does it really matter who gets paid what ??? I don't think so!! If clubs are prepared to pay players, let them pay them. After all the club is then measured on their success (or lack of it) at the end of the year. Let's get over it, it's been happening for years, decades etc. Geez. I guess the weather is starting to take effect on a few people.

Cause at the end of the day (around 5.00pm Sat arvo's) that is how much of a good footballer/team you are and not by the amount of $$$ are hitting your pocket!

[ball breaker]

At times I dont agree with some of the finer points of the system, but it does certainly make your recruiting department a lot more stratgegic. In the GSFL the dominance of Willunga has probably offset the effectiveness of the system but it was never intended to be an overnight fix. Even in the first year of the system I think the comp was a lot more even than the previuos year. I think you will hear of a few clubs going to the tribunal with matters in the coming months, with some issues. For example we have a player who has played 12 games in 2 years (2 more than the required 10 to be a zero point player) We also have a player who plays with another club that played with us for 2 years but only managed 19 senior games (6 short of the required 25 to be a zero point player). For the lower clubs these are the small descrepencies that are costing us.

Luvsfooty... the points system does make things difficult mate. But i guess with everything the rules are black and white although life is 'grey'... it's the only way the system will work if the rule makers follow the wordings. If they set a precedent by allowing some players/clubs to challenge some minor points (ie those mentioned above) i believe it will make a mockery of the system. Whilst this is 'new' we should let it run and after each season discuss the positives and negatives of it and implement any changes for the greater good of our great competition!

[Toughcall]

The problem facing clubs with the points system is the different structure at different leagues. Aren't some different and is a player 0 points if he has played under 10 games in 2 years, not 10? It is hard to get your head around it. How do Myponga rebuild with the loss of three 0 point players and with only 14 points to play with?
It is a transparent system, which is good, but makes it hard for lower clubs who consistently lose players.

[LuvsFooty]

At times I dont agree with some of the finer points of the system, but it does certainly make your recruiting department a lot more stratgegic. In the GSFL the dominance of Willunga has probably offset the effectiveness of the system but it was never intended to be an overnight fix. Even in the first year of the system I think the comp was a lot more even than the previuos year. I think you will hear of a few clubs going to the tribunal with matters in the coming months, with some issues. For example we have a player who has played 12 games in 2 years (2 more than the required 10 to be a zero point player) We also have a player who plays with another club that played with us for 2 years but only managed 19 senior games (6 short of the required 25 to be a zero point player). For the lower clubs these are the small descrepencies that are costing us.

Luvsfooty... the points system does make things difficult mate. But i guess with everything the rules are black and white although life is 'grey'... it's the only way the system will work if the rule makers follow the wordings. If they set a precedent by allowing some players/clubs to challenge some minor points (ie those mentioned above) i believe it will make a mockery of the system. Whilst this is 'new' we should let it run and after each season discuss the positives and negatives of it and implement any changes for the greater good of our great competition!

Thats a fair point ball breaker and we have always abided by the points system. I guess in our situation the 2 players live and work in Goolwa. Do we tell them that they cant play fullstop? Do we play them in B Grade which they are clearly above? Or do we try and broker a deal with another club and make some $$$ out of it?

[emerson]

Willunga have Steele, Hams, Haskett, Portlock, Genovese, Baxter, Dobson, Guitnick, Ryan, Thomas averaging at least $250 a week, which adds up to a minmum of 50 grand a year the club has to find.
No club in the competition spends that kind of money and keeping the group together has been an outstanding job by the Willunga management, but at a cost, so the other clubs have to spend to compete.
But 50 grand a year would be a low estimate and definitely a minimum, so Willunga supporters need to look in their glass house before chucking stones at other clubs for trying to be competitive against them.[/quote]

The Baxter mentioned above, is that Ashley Baxter, ex south?