The South Australian Political Landscape

[morell]

Seriously though.

This is why I said for people to travel. Not to claim superiority, but when people argue that Adelaide is so awful and that Labor are so bad, it only says to me that they haven’t seen or experienced anything actually awful and bad to benchmark it against. That’s the only logical conclusion outside of those people are batshit crazy.

Because if you've been to Auckland or Jakarta or Denpasar or Takayama or Havana or rural places in those countries or ****, even New York, Sydney or Tokyo, let alone somewhere like Aleppo or Baghdad, the only logical conclusion should be "how god damn lucky am I".

and by the by - I've never voted Labor in my life. People ITT (and society in general) need to get a grip, Labor are doing more than OK and voting for them is a perfectly reasonable position to take. As is voting Liberal, for what it’s worth - they have some great policies too.

Enough with the tribalism.

[MW]

liveable yes. prosperous? hardly.

[Jimmy_041]

It's time for a morell rant. We're overdue.

I know nothing of your views… other than the several hundred posts on this forum of course. If they aren’t representational of your views, then I apologise, I can only base my thoughts on your opines in those posts as I have no idea who you actually are. Don’t forget, I read every page of this thread when I first discovered it. Tell us more about how you’re moving overseas if Labor get in, give us some more mixing of swear words in Labor politicians surnames and that our Economy will “be like Greece” soon enough….

But, if your posts are representative of your views, which I think we all know they are, then those views are myopic in the truest sense of the word, in that they are always one-sided, lack nuance and are decidedly self-centred. You’re no orphan in this regard, but you have seemingly picked your “side” and no matter what evidence is provided to you, no matter what anyone says - that’s your side and you’re sticking to it. That side is “anti-Labor”. It’s the same thing progressive people do with Trump.

In this example, you’ve cherry picked a quote out of an already cherry picked article out of an already cherry picked political statement and then since it’s not on your “side” you try and infer that the Premier is purposefully and malevolently trying to screw over his constituency. Jimmy that’s absolutely ridiculous. He was merely saying that he is sticking to what he said and holding his positon and that people in those areas knew that was his positon and didn’t vote for him accordingly. Which is absolutely fine! That’s how this system of ours works. We ought not have it any other way.

Disagree with the policy. Fine. Disagree with his position on the policy. Fine. Perhaps even have a crack at his choice of words. But for goodness sake get your mind out of this ideological side picking style thinking. It’s unhealthy for you and the society you belong to.

“Only weak people need strong leaders” is perhaps one of the most mind bogglingly stupid things you’ve said. And that’s saying something. Leadership can take many forms – it can mean showing empathy, it can mean showing courage, it can mean knowing when to cede. It can mean lots of different things. Conflating leadership with strength and following with weakness is thinking from a 1920s coal mine. Read more, learn more, open your mind.

As for my credibility or otherwise because I am an immigrant and have travelled a bit. Firstly, stop listening to Keefy. Secondly, that’s tough to judge, who knows really, that’s the beauty of places like this forum, people can only judge one on the merits of the content they post. I’d suggest that resorting to name calling like “**** wit” and “twat” without refuting anything merely because someone challenged your thoughts would probably erode at that credibility, but hey, that’s just my standard.

But I don't need to rant
Summed up in 5 words: You really are a twat

[cracka]

Fair bit of pot/kettle about your last 2 rants Morell

[Q.]

liveable yes. prosperous? hardly.

Why don't you consider it to be prosperous?

[morell]

Fair bit of pot/kettle about your last 2 rants Morell

How so?

I'm not a Labor voter. Yet have spent the last two pages defending the Labor leaders position. That's the complete opposite of Tribalism.

I get the feeling many people think I'm a left wing Beatnik hippy.

I've got just as many conservative viewpoints as progressive.

[tipper]

so because other places have it worse than us, we all should just be happy little vegimites and accept what we are dished up? ok then

[Jimmy_041]

Fair bit of pot/kettle about your last 2 rants Morell

How so?

I'm not a Labor voter. Yet have spent the last two pages defending the Labor leaders position. That's the complete opposite of Tribalism.

I get the feeling many people think I'm a left wing Beatnik hippy.

I've got just as many conservative viewpoints as progressive.

As with most of your “facts” we only have your word on all of the above statements
Very politician like

[morell]

Not at all, but a semblance of perspective wouldn't go astray.

By all means be critical. But be critical of policy and debate that rather than just picking a side.

[morell]

Fair bit of pot/kettle about your last 2 rants Morell

How so?

I'm not a Labor voter. Yet have spent the last two pages defending the Labor leaders position. That's the complete opposite of Tribalism.

I get the feeling many people think I'm a left wing Beatnik hippy.

I've got just as many conservative viewpoints as progressive.

As with most of your “facts” we only have your word on all of the above statements
Very politician like

Nah, if you knew me at all you'd know that. Add me on Facebook and you will get it.

For example.

Socialism is inherently flawed, humanity needs motivation to succeed. The best way to do that is to reward effort.
Our public sector is too big and should be, ethically, reduced
There are many social norms that we as society should preserve and protect
We should have immigration control and protect our borders
We pay too much tax
The private sector can often deliver services better than government
There are two biological genders

etc

[tipper]

Not at all, but a semblance of perspective wouldn't go astray.

By all means be critical. But be critical of policy and debate that rather than just picking a side.

i havent picked a side, so i can keep complaining then?

[Jimmy_041]

Fair bit of pot/kettle about your last 2 rants Morell

How so?

I'm not a Labor voter. Yet have spent the last two pages defending the Labor leaders position. That's the complete opposite of Tribalism.

I get the feeling many people think I'm a left wing Beatnik hippy.

I've got just as many conservative viewpoints as progressive.

As with most of your “facts” we only have your word on all of the above statements
Very politician like

Nah, if you knew me at all you'd know that. Add me on Facebook and you will get it.

For example.

Socialism is inherently flawed, humanity needs motivation to succeed. The best way to do that is to reward effort.
Our public sector is too big and should be, ethically, reduced
There are many social norms that we as society should preserve and protect
We should have immigration control and protect our borders
We pay too much tax
The private sector can often deliver services better than government
There are two biological genders

etc

Ah, so I need to get to know you but you are quite happy to abuse me without knowing me (and Facebook is such a good way to get to know someone. I base all my impressions of people on what they put on FB)
Your "opines" on here are not a true reflection of your position but you are happy to pass judgement on me based upon my opinions on here, most of which you just dismiss outright

I can only base my thoughts on your opines in those posts as I have no idea who you actually are.
But, if your posts are representative of your views, which I think we all know they are, then those views are myopic in the truest sense of the word, in that they are always one-sided, lack nuance and are decidedly self-centred

I'd chuck in a few more but I'd like to get out in the sun for the afternoon whilst on holidays

BTW. I said I would move overseas if Labor got in and brought in death duties but don't let the facts get in the way of your "facts"

But, before I leave, let me correct my opinion: Hypocritical, belligerent twat is a much better description

[morell]

That's the thing Jimmy. I'm attacking your posts on here as that's the only thing I have to go on, I'm calling you out for your published bias. I haven't abused you at all.

If you think I am misreporting you, tell me how, and by all means return serve if you feel I'm doing the same.

But I'm telling you, enough with the name calling.

[Jimmy_041]

Yeah sorry Morell

I'll put it in "Morell speak"

then those views are myopic in the truest sense of the word, in that they are always one-sided, lack nuance and are decidedly self-centred

I think your views are hypocritical in the truest sense of the word, always belligerent and decidedly twat like

Hope you feel better now

[Dogwatcher]

This is all actually a reasonable facsimile of parliamentary debate and the standards thereof.

[MW]

Politics is pretty simple to me. I vote for the party who "best" implements policy to help with:
- Increasing employment
- Reducing taxes
- Improving:
- infrastructure/roads
- health services
- Education
- Aged care

I also believe in Father Christmas, Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Crows will win the GF this year...

[Jimmy_041]

This is all actually a reasonable facsimile of parliamentary debate and the standards thereof.

Certainly is, and why we’re getting nowhere in state or country

There you go; that should kick off another few pages

[morell]

Yeah sorry Morell

I'll put it in "Morell speak"

then those views are myopic in the truest sense of the word, in that they are always one-sided, lack nuance and are decidedly self-centred

I think your views are hypocritical in the truest sense of the word, always belligerent and decidedly twat like

Hope you feel better now

I actually do.

There is a big difference between saying...

"That's a stupid thing to say"

And

"You are stupid"

Ones attacking the point of discussion, the other is attacking the person.

[morell]

Politics is pretty simple to me. I vote for the party who "best" implements policy to help with:
- Increasing employment
- Reducing taxes
- Improving:
- infrastructure/roads
- health services
- Education
- Aged care

I also believe in Father Christmas, Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Crows will win the GF this year...

Exactly. And then we can talk about wether one policy or another is better.

That's all I ask.

[morell]

This is all actually a reasonable facsimile of parliamentary debate and the standards thereof.

Certainly is, and why we’re getting nowhere in state or country

There you go; that should kick off another few pages

Where are we know, and where would you like to go? How are they different?