Federal Government proposes a price on carbon.

[Bully]

The meteor that hit russia this morning is due to "global warming"

[Sky Pilot]

Julia organised it to get Rudd off the front pages

[fish]

Contributing factors? I would say the biggest factor would be the increase in price meaning people switching power off.

Thereby reducing not only their greenhouse gas emissions but their power bill too!

[fish]

RENEWABLE ENERGY NOW CHEAPER THAN NEW FOSSIL FUELS IN AUSTRALIA

Good to see that renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels! (even without a tax). Presumably these figures are based on new gas/coal power stations and not on the cost of existing power stations?

Yes scoob I reckon these costs apply only to new power plants

[fish]

New research from the OECD finds that 29 countries have higher ‘effective’ carbon prices than Australia.

Is there any explanation of what other costs they have lumped in to come up with these effective prices?

Details of the report can be found here

Details for each country can be found down the bottom under the heading "Country Notes"

[The Sleeping Giant]

Contributing factors? I would say the biggest factor would be the increase in price meaning people switching power off.

Thereby reducing not only their greenhouse gas emissions but their power bill too!

Awesome. Raise the price of power until people can't afford it.

[Psyber]

Contributing factors? I would say the biggest factor would be the increase in price meaning people switching power off.

Thereby reducing not only their greenhouse gas emissions but their power bill too!

Awesome. Raise the price of power until people can't afford it.

I thought that was precisely the policy the Greens favour.
We can all huddle round a candle in our knitted hats instead, and feel righteous.
(Then get Toyota "Pious" to complete the picture.)

[southee]

Contributing factors? I would say the biggest factor would be the increase in price meaning people switching power off.

Thereby reducing not only their greenhouse gas emissions but their power bill too!

Yep...the poor and needy go turn you power off and sweat in your homes or why not turn off all the heaters in winter and freeze your a$$ off!!!

It does make sense

[smac]

Contributing factors? I would say the biggest factor would be the increase in price meaning people switching power off.

Thereby reducing not only their greenhouse gas emissions but their power bill too!

No.

The bill doesn't reduce with usage reductions. It still goes up.

[Sky Pilot]

Contributing factors? I would say the biggest factor would be the increase in price meaning people switching power off.

Thereby reducing not only their greenhouse gas emissions but their power bill too!

Awesome. Raise the price of power until people can't afford it.

X2
Sounds like a good plan.

[Q.]

Residential only makes up a quarter of national power usage.

And electricity prices in SA aren't going up because of the Carbon Tax.

[dedja]

*cough* price gouging *cough*

[The Sleeping Giant]

So you are saying the price of a chocolate bar went up as a result of the the carbon tax introduction, but electricity prices didn't.

[Q.]

Chocolate went up now?

As dedja said, SA consumers have been suffering from price gouging.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Chocolate went up now?

As dedja said, SA consumers have been suffering from price gouging.

You must of missed the price on everything going up the day the carbon tax came into effect.

[Q.]

Hadn't noticed.

Shit is always going up.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Yes it is. Usually for a reason.

[Sojourner]

Prices went up in SA because of the Greens and Family First joint submission backed by the Liberals to retain the Solar Panel Scheme at its previous costing, meaning that the wealthy have their solar panels subsidised by those on Pensions or low incomes who can not afford the up front costs of the panels themselves, or who live in rented accomodation. All people have to pay a tarriff to subsidse the scheme for those that can afford it.

A little surprised that the Greens and Family First would pull a stunt like that on low income people, not suprised that the Liberals would back it. I can understand the Greens putting Green policy before financial policy on people on low incomes, but Family First have no real green interest that I can see.

One would have thought that the Socialists within the Greens woudl have at least demanded interest free loans for people on low incomes to have solar installed along with some other plan such as rent assistance for low income renters that can not access the scheme, but clearly not in this case.

[dedja]

Whilst the solar feed in tariff does contribute to the consumer price, the vast majority of the price rises are due to price gouging and spot price manipulation encouraged by a pseudo monopoly market and lax market rules.

When a retailer can own generating assets and be allowed to manipulate the spot price you will get inflated retail prices.

Note that when the SA Government made some noise the AGL standing contract was immediately reduced by about 9%.

In fact, the SA Government wanted to tighten the national market rules to minimise spot price manipulation but states like NSW blocked the moves. This is a massive conflict of interest because NSW still own and operate their electricity assets which means that they benefit from the the price gouging.

[Trader]

New research from the OECD finds that 29 countries have higher ‘effective’ carbon prices than Australia.

Is there any explanation of what other costs they have lumped in to come up with these effective prices?

Details of the report can be found here

Details for each country can be found down the bottom under the heading "Country Notes"

That report is about carbon prices on fuel, which gillard excluded from the carbon tax for the first two years, so of course Australia is lower at the moment.
Wait til the carbon tax kicks in, we'll jump up the list.