Re: US
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Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:23 pmby bulldogproud
Another election is quite possibly on the cards very soon. He faces a number of legal cases over the next month over his fraudulent business dealings, in particular Trump University and Trump's 'foundation'. The odds are he will be in jail before inauguration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d ... ity-231082Almost unbelievable, but Trump has been involved in over 3,500 legal cases; about half of them as a defendant!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /84995854/Bob Day must be feeling pretty shirty just about now!!!
The 'successful' businessman has also had to file for bankruptcy four times!!
Can only happen in America!!!!
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:01 amby Magellan
bulldogproud wrote:Another election is quite possibly on the cards very soon. He faces a number of legal cases over the next month over his fraudulent business dealings, in particular Trump University and Trump's 'foundation'.
The odds are he will be in jail before inauguration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d ... ity-231082Almost unbelievable, but Trump has been involved in over 3,500 legal cases; about half of them as a defendant!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /84995854/Bob Day must be feeling pretty shirty just about now!!!
The 'successful' businessman has also had to file for bankruptcy four times!!
Can only happen in America!!!!
From what I could tell in the first link, Trump's subject to civil proceedings and not criminal ones, so he's not going to jail if he's found to be in the wrong (bugger!). That said, I'm sure he'd rather go to jail than admit defeat and pay damages to those he's ****** over.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:45 amby mighty_tiger_79
People need to show the Don some love
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:36 amby GWW
Sarah Palin in the mix for a Cabinet position, although probably not Foreign Affairs.
In the unlikely event Shorten wins our next election, it will be interesting how he deals with Trump, given his comments about the Don.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:42 amby Magellan
GWW wrote:Sarah Palin in the mix for a Cabinet position
Cabinet, cupboard, closet, desk of drawers...as long as she's inside and someone closes the door behind her I'm all for it. She's probably not interested in the China hutch, though.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:26 amby therisingblues
Magellan wrote:GWW wrote:Sarah Palin in the mix for a Cabinet position
Cabinet, cupboard, closet, desk of drawers...as long as she's inside and someone closes the door behind her I'm all for it. She's probably not interested in the China hutch, though.
Just have her making coffees and keep her away from any communications equipment and it should be okay.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:51 amby bulldogproud
Magellan wrote:bulldogproud wrote:Another election is quite possibly on the cards very soon. He faces a number of legal cases over the next month over his fraudulent business dealings, in particular Trump University and Trump's 'foundation'.
The odds are he will be in jail before inauguration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d ... ity-231082Almost unbelievable, but Trump has been involved in over 3,500 legal cases; about half of them as a defendant!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /84995854/Bob Day must be feeling pretty shirty just about now!!!
The 'successful' businessman has also had to file for bankruptcy four times!!
Can only happen in America!!!!
From what I could tell in the first link, Trump's subject to civil proceedings and not criminal ones, so he's not going to jail if he's found to be in the wrong (bugger!). That said, I'm sure he'd rather go to jail than admit defeat and pay damages to those he's ****** over.
The word going around is that if the civil proceedings succeed, criminal ones will follow
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:54 amby Dogwatcher
Won't happen.
Much of Trump's life has been about making things 'go away'. His political life will be more of the same.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:56 amby woodublieve12
How does someone get more votes and still lose an election?
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:40 amby Magellan
bulldogproud wrote:Magellan wrote:bulldogproud wrote:Another election is quite possibly on the cards very soon. He faces a number of legal cases over the next month over his fraudulent business dealings, in particular Trump University and Trump's 'foundation'.
The odds are he will be in jail before inauguration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d ... ity-231082Almost unbelievable, but Trump has been involved in over 3,500 legal cases; about half of them as a defendant!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /84995854/Bob Day must be feeling pretty shirty just about now!!!
The 'successful' businessman has also had to file for bankruptcy four times!!
Can only happen in America!!!!
From what I could tell in the first link, Trump's subject to civil proceedings and not criminal ones, so he's not going to jail if he's found to be in the wrong (bugger!). That said, I'm sure he'd rather go to jail than admit defeat and pay damages to those he's ****** over.
The word going around is that if the civil proceedings succeed, criminal ones will follow
On the same disputes? I'm not so sure about that, would like to know more about what's being discussed on that topic. Can you please post a link, bulldogproud?
At any rate it'll be ages before those claims and disputes are finalized, one way or the other.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:41 amby woodublieve12
Booney wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:How does someone get more votes and still lose an election?
Like the Libs here?
YEah I guess. But how does that work?
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:43 amby Booney
woodublieve12 wrote:Booney wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:How does someone get more votes and still lose an election?
Like the Libs here?
YEah I guess. But how does that work?
Same as it did here, we work on seats, they work on electoral votes. Same same but different.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:30 amby Magellan
Booney wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:Booney wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:How does someone get more votes and still lose an election?
Like the Libs here?
YEah I guess. But how does that work?
Same as it did here, we work on seats, they work on electoral votes. Same same but different.
A good example is the infamous 'Playfordmander' electoral arrangement that effectively locked Labor out of power here in SA for decades until Dunstan's win in 1970. Labor often won the the majority of the vote, but a disproportionate overrepresentation for low-population country seats (which favoured the Liberal Country League) compared to high-populated city seats meant that the LCL kept holding power.
Re: US
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Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:37 pmby bulldogproud
Magellan wrote:bulldogproud wrote:Magellan wrote:bulldogproud wrote:Another election is quite possibly on the cards very soon. He faces a number of legal cases over the next month over his fraudulent business dealings, in particular Trump University and Trump's 'foundation'.
The odds are he will be in jail before inauguration.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d ... ity-231082Almost unbelievable, but Trump has been involved in over 3,500 legal cases; about half of them as a defendant!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /84995854/Bob Day must be feeling pretty shirty just about now!!!
The 'successful' businessman has also had to file for bankruptcy four times!!
Can only happen in America!!!!
From what I could tell in the first link, Trump's subject to civil proceedings and not criminal ones, so he's not going to jail if he's found to be in the wrong (bugger!). That said, I'm sure he'd rather go to jail than admit defeat and pay damages to those he's ****** over.
The word going around is that if the civil proceedings succeed, criminal ones will follow
On the same disputes? I'm not so sure about that, would like to know more about what's being discussed on that topic. Can you please post a link, bulldogproud?
At any rate it'll be ages before those claims and disputes are finalized, one way or the other.
Sorry, I could be mistakent on those ones. The criminal trial Trump may have to face up to is in Mexico, over one of his real estate deals:
http://thehill.com/latino/303691-trump- ... -in-mexicoHis Trump University trial could be very interesting. It is being heard by the judge Trump called Mexican and insulted quite severely with various comments. That trial commences on November 28 - I have a feeling it will attract a fair bit of media interest!!
Trump is embroiled as a defendant, either personally or through his businesses, in some 75 legal cases at the moment!!!
Re: US
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Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:32 amby Magellan
I have theory about how the Trump presidency is going to unfold. I reckon there's a good chance he's not going to honour the inflammatory language and protectionist/nationalist policies that marked the election campaign. In fact, I'd say he's likely to turn out to be quite an ineffective and lame president that falls short what he said he'd do.
The realities of office are that he has to deal with two houses of congress, and the agenda he spruiked won't be as easy to implement with the mere stroke of a pen at the Oval Office. You might say that Trump can't afford to not implement his controversial policies, because it would piss off the masses of rust-belt disaffected middle Americans who adopted Trump as their idol and savior from a modern world they see as having left them behind. They've invested themselves, their personal hopes and dreams for a better future into his idea of making America great again. They made him, and they'll be baying for his blood if he doesn't honour his suite of promises to build the Mexican wall, kick out all the Muslims, nuke Syria, bring back jobs and impose tariffs etc. He would become another member of the political establishment, someone who promises everything but fell short, just like all the other members of the political elite.
I say Trump, unlike all other presidential candidates (and political candidates), doesn't care about what he's going to do as president. He only cares about being the president. Like all massively successful male white businessmen, it's all about the contest. Trump, Murdoch, Packer, or whoever else don't take over companies and build extravagant buildings because their family will starve if they don't. They don't need the money. For them, business is a sport. It's about winning, the thrill of the chase and getting the trophy. Once you've won the match, you can point to the trophy. You have bragging rights. I won, you lost. The presidency is another trophy for Trump to put in his cabinet and point to in case you don't think he's a really smart and super awesome guy. He doesn't want to exercise the power, because he doesn't know what to do with it, as evidenced by a campaign that focused on why you should vote for him (or no Hillary) as opposed to outlining a clear agenda for what he was going to do when he got there.
The same way that people invest money in Trump's businesses and schemes is no different to the emotional and philosophical investment that people have made in his message. Trump's no stranger in the business world to taking people's investments and burning them for his own benefit, and walking away from the mess whilst telling everyone how great he still is. Trump's legacy to date has not been about it's substance, its all about style (for want of a better word) and vanity. There's no reason to suggest this is going to change.
I can hear Trump in four year's time, having been defeated in a landslide election, answering to his angry rust-belt supporters. They'll say, "Trump, you were a shit president and a liar because you reneged on all your policies that were going to start a revolution. You're just like all the other politicians. We believed in you, and you took us for a ride, **** you." And Trump will reply with his trademark smug grin and shrugged shoulders, "Hey, guess what? I got to be the president, and you didn't. Thanks for getting me there, it was a real blast to be the most powerful man in the world."
Of course, if this pans out like this it won't address the core issues at the heart of democratic politics in the US and the exclusion of large numbers of the disaffected. In fact it'll probably exacerbate it, but that's the last thing on Trump's mind, safe in his ivory tower in Manhattan and satisfied with his most prized trophy.
Re: US
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Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:57 amby bennymacca
Very good post
The worrying policies are the introduction of tariffs etc which could get over the line and severely affect the world economy