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at least Xenophon doesnt seem to be in it for himself. I dont agree with a lot of his policies but I personally think he does what he says he is going to do with no ulterior motives

am Bays wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:Pretty easy to see how Trump got elected when people don't like the politicians from either side who, let's face it, are only in it for themselves

Yup it's why in 2018 we are going to have a hung Parliament here in SA,

NXT to have the BOP.

From what I heard yesterday, you might see one or two Pauline Hanson people in there as well

Jimmy_041 wrote:Pretty easy to see how Trump got elected when people don't like the politicians from either side who, let's face it, are only in it for themselves

I think it's not just the politicians the public have grown tired of but the "yes" men/women who maintain their bureaucratic positions regardless of who holds office and continue to show high levels of ineptitude attempting to complete their day to day tasks. Health, Families SA as some wonderfully terrible examples.

The fact the spineless politicians do nothing about changing people in these roles shows how meek they are.

As such, I propose senior positions in departments are aligned to elections and a government change should see a change in senior departmental positions. Perhaps then voters could actually consider a change in party as making a change to the day to day running of important departments.

Booney wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:Pretty easy to see how Trump got elected when people don't like the politicians from either side who, let's face it, are only in it for themselves

I think it's not just the politicians the public have grown tired of but the "yes" men/women who maintain their bureaucratic positions regardless of who holds office and continue to show high levels of ineptitude attempting to complete their day to day tasks. Health, Families SA as some wonderfully terrible examples.

The fact the spineless politicians do nothing about changing people in these roles shows how meek they are.

As such, I propose senior positions in departments are aligned to elections and a government change should see a change in senior departmental positions. Perhaps then voters could actually consider a change in party as making a change to the day to day running of important departments.

You forget the "fearless and frank advice" doctrine, but, unfortunately, this Govt has belted that out of the PS
Anyone else getting sick of seeing the departments heads all lined up behind the Minister in his press release?

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Booney wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:Pretty easy to see how Trump got elected when people don't like the politicians from either side who, let's face it, are only in it for themselves

I think it's not just the politicians the public have grown tired of but the "yes" men/women who maintain their bureaucratic positions regardless of who holds office and continue to show high levels of ineptitude attempting to complete their day to day tasks. Health, Families SA as some wonderfully terrible examples.

The fact the spineless politicians do nothing about changing people in these roles shows how meek they are.

As such, I propose senior positions in departments are aligned to elections and a government change should see a change in senior departmental positions. Perhaps then voters could actually consider a change in party as making a change to the day to day running of important departments.

You forget the "fearless and frank advice" doctrine, but, unfortunately, this Govt has belted that out of the PS
Anyone else getting sick of seeing the departments heads all lined up behind the Minister in his press release?

Yep, I guess that takes away the "faceless men" argument.

Booney wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

Booney wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:Pretty easy to see how Trump got elected when people don't like the politicians from either side who, let's face it, are only in it for themselves

I think it's not just the politicians the public have grown tired of but the "yes" men/women who maintain their bureaucratic positions regardless of who holds office and continue to show high levels of ineptitude attempting to complete their day to day tasks. Health, Families SA as some wonderfully terrible examples.

The fact the spineless politicians do nothing about changing people in these roles shows how meek they are.

As such, I propose senior positions in departments are aligned to elections and a government change should see a change in senior departmental positions. Perhaps then voters could actually consider a change in party as making a change to the day to day running of important departments.

You forget the "fearless and frank advice" doctrine, but, unfortunately, this Govt has belted that out of the PS
Anyone else getting sick of seeing the departments heads all lined up behind the Minister in his press release?

Yep, I guess that takes away the "faceless men" argument.

Turned them into "nodding men & women"

Jimmy_041 wrote:

am Bays wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:Pretty easy to see how Trump got elected when people don't like the politicians from either side who, let's face it, are only in it for themselves

Yup it's why in 2018 we are going to have a hung Parliament here in SA,

NXT to have the BOP.

From what I heard yesterday, you might see one or two Pauline Hanson people in there as well

Yup but I'm predicting NXT to have the BOP, think Hansen is more likely to get red seats than green ones.

bennymacca wrote:at least Xenophon doesnt seem to be in it for himself. I dont agree with a lot of his policies but I personally think he does what he says he is going to do with no ulterior motives

bullshit. he is just as bad as the rest of them now. taking money from one pokie establishment to fund his legal fight against their competitor. just ask any North supporter.

tipper wrote:

bennymacca wrote:at least Xenophon doesnt seem to be in it for himself. I dont agree with a lot of his policies but I personally think he does what he says he is going to do with no ulterior motives

bullshit. he is just as bad as the rest of them now. taking money from one pokie establishment to fund his legal fight against their competitor. just ask any North supporter.

Xenophon is a political ambulance chaser, once the sirens stop he loses interest.

tipper wrote:

bennymacca wrote:at least Xenophon doesnt seem to be in it for himself. I dont agree with a lot of his policies but I personally think he does what he says he is going to do with no ulterior motives

bullshit. he is just as bad as the rest of them now. taking money from one pokie establishment to fund his legal fight against their competitor. just ask any North supporter.

Agreed, he's more intent on publicity stunts than policy and while Hanson rallies one extreme, Mr X works on what the other extreme is grizzling about.

I've known Nick since about 1980, though the last time I saw him in a social context was in 2009.
I don't agree with all his policies, but agree with quite a few.

He was certainly making a lot more money as a successful Adelaide Barrister than I think he stands to make out of Politics.

Psyber wrote:I've known Nick since about 1980, though the last time I saw him in a social context was in 2009.
I don't agree with all his policies, but agree with quite a few.

He was certainly making a lot more money as a successful Adelaide Barrister than I think he stands to make out of Politics.

The age old question, do you take $1.50 a year as a barrister, and retire at 60, or do you take $1 a year as a polly, then watch the gravy train roll on from 60-100 on your government pension.

Grenville wrote:Xenophon is a political ambulance chaser, once the sirens stop he loses interest.

This is the truth for mine.
Loves a good press conference, but not sure how much he achieves.

There was that graph floating around before the last election showing from 97 to 2006 when he was the "No Pokies MP", pokies grew consistently in SA. Then he moved on having failed for a decade, and from 2007 to 2016, they steadily fell.

His latest one now is jumping on the "hot topic" from Melbourne on Friday and talking about bail reform. While I agree the system is broken, why did it take a major incident for Nick to speak up?

isn't that when you want a pollie to stand up?

MW wrote:isn't that when you want a pollie to stand up?

No, I'd rather they look at a potential problem before the disaster happens
Gee, bail....... That's a new problem

The Victorian Govt relaxed bail when it came to power and now it realised it **** up and all hell breaks loose
There was an opinion from the Vic Police Assoc a couple of years ago saying that it would end in disaster and it did

exactly. why cant we have proactive leaders? instead of always being reactive? the bail situation is no different here in south australia, we just havent had outcomes as bad as vic, yet. the latest lot of kids stealing cars would be our example. keep getting let out to offend again.....

the only times it seems they are proactive is when raising taxes (cough, levies, cough) or their own pay rises..... everything else is just pandering to the latest push on social media

tipper wrote:exactly. why cant we have proactive leaders? instead of always being reactive? the bail situation is no different here in south australia, we just havent had outcomes as bad as vic, yet. the latest lot of kids stealing cars would be our example. keep getting let out to offend again.....

the only times it seems they are proactive is when raising taxes (cough, levies, cough) or their own pay rises..... everything else is just pandering to the latest push on social media

Because its all about getting back in in 3 years times. Get on the popular issues. Electioneering 101.

Nick Xenophon had a huge hand in keeping the shipbuilding in SA

bennymacca wrote:Nick Xenophon had a huge hand in keeping the shipbuilding in SA

Really? Hes a senator Im not sure how much he can really do besides threaten to vote against cetain bills. Maybe thats all it takes in the end as we know how the coalitions has a piss poor relationship with independents. But I think little poodle Pyne pissed his pants enough because in SA the threat that the electorate will burry any coalition candidate also has had an influence on that.

stan wrote:

bennymacca wrote:Nick Xenophon had a huge hand in keeping the shipbuilding in SA

Really? Hes a senator Im not sure how much he can really do besides threaten to vote against cetain bills.

He can threaten to vote against other bills as a negotiating tactic to get the things he wants, thanks to the composition of the current senate.

People forget Nick was on the side of a pokies Baron against a sporting club many years ago, most forget but I don't. Hypocrite much?
Some people including the media love his little games but it doesn't impress me, probably the last bloke I'd vote for at any level.