Carbon Tax Isolation

[fish]

Jimmy if you seriously believe China and other developing countries are going to tackle their emissions while the high-carbon-intensity developed countries sit around and do nothing you are sadly mistaken. It aint going to happen. They will only do their fair share if the developed countries (who have developed with little or no constraints on their emissions) do theirs.

[Jimmy_041]

and if you think China is going to do anything meaningful because Belize, Qatar, Guyana, Malaysia, UAE, Kuwait, PNG, Brunei and Australia have done so, then you're in Wallyworld.

[mighty_tiger_79]

What other big developing countries have a carbon tax?

will it have any affect in sustaining the earths future?

fact is - the population is killing the world and no amount of tax will stop the inevitable. Perhaps India should be on a 1 child per family.

[redandblack]

Christmas Day.

Peace on earth and goodwill to all.

(unless you're a refugee or from India)

[dedja]

I'd like to think I'm making a (small) contribution to minimising my dependency on fossil fuels by reducing my power usage by 70% in the past year ... and probably 3-4 years ago I thought action on 'climate change' was an important thing to do.

As we approach 2012, I'm more convinced than ever that we all should reduce our dependency on fossil fuels by reducing our usage together with developing alternative energy solutions, but the carbon tax as currently legislated by the Federal Parliament this year will do SFA to assist any of those objectives. It's a political 'fix' developed by a government with NFI and supported by an idealogical group in the Greens who have even less idea how to sanely implement solutions to their highly idealistic objectives.

The coalition are equally clueless on the topic so God help us all ... and I'm an athiest.

[Bat Pad]

Christmas Day.

Peace on earth and goodwill to all.

(unless you're a refugee or from India)

Why would you be a refugee from India?

[dedja]

Tendulkar came over on a rickety boat?

[Psyber]

I'd like to think I'm making a (small) contribution to minimising my dependency on fossil fuels by reducing my power usage by 70% in the past year ... and probably 3-4 years ago I thought action on 'climate change' was an important thing to do.

As we approach 2012, I'm more convinced than ever that we all should reduce our dependency on fossil fuels by reducing our usage together with developing alternative energy solutions, but the carbon tax as currently legislated by the Federal Parliament this year will do SFA to assist any of those objectives. It's a political 'fix' developed by a government with NFI and supported by an idealogical group in the Greens who have even less idea how to sanely implement solutions to their highly idealistic objectives.

The coalition are equally clueless on the topic so God help us all ... and I'm an athiest.

I agree with you dedja.
However, there is a a problem in the hills as we need an alternative source of heat for those days when the electrical power goes out in winter.
The state government did not have the wisdom to run natural gas up here while they were revamping the Freeway, unlike the Victorian government.
(In the Dandenong Ranges we had natural gas 55+Km from the CBD and at 100 metre higher altitude than Stirling.)

So, the option we have is to either burn expensive LPG, or burn trees - affordable and reliable electricity would be preferable.
Fortunately, as I have recently used the changed legislation to lose a few trees that were a danger to my life and home in a bushfire, I do have some wood on hand.
I intend to plant some more trees further from my house to replace those removed and to plant varieties to suit the needs of the Koalas living in my back yard.

[fish]

and if you think China is going to do anything meaningful because Belize, Qatar, Guyana, Malaysia, UAE, Kuwait, PNG, Brunei and Australia have done so, then you're in Wallyworld.

Jimmy as far as I can see you are the only one who has mentioned those countries - give my regards to Wallyworld!

[fish]

What other big developing countries have a carbon tax?

None as far as I know - although India does have a levy on coal producers.

The developing countries will almost certainly wait until the developed countries put a price on their emissions before they act to price their own emissions.

[Jimmy_041]

and if you think China is going to do anything meaningful because Belize, Qatar, Guyana, Malaysia, UAE, Kuwait, PNG, Brunei and Australia have done so, then you're in Wallyworld.

Jimmy as far as I can see you are the only one who has mentioned those countries - give my regards to Wallyworld!

They are top of the table of Carbon dioxide emissions [tonnes] per capita user

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions_per_capita

On your thinking, these are the worst countries in the world

Wallyworld didn't rate

[Bully]

Answer me this question to the carbon tax lovers out there.

Why is premium fuel so expensive and MORE then the normal unleaded 91?? Yes i agree its more to produce (premium fuel) but if the government was so focused on reducing carbon emmisions, then why dont they remove most of the tax on premium fuel ???

Premium fuel is better for the environment and costs less to run as it allows more Kms per tank, which cleans engines which intern is less fill ups and more better for the environment?? So if they were 100% on reducing carbon then why dont they do this???


waiting for the carbon tax lovers to come up with another excuse on why we should pay more taxes .....

[Bully]

hmmmm no response from the carbon tax lovers for my previous comment........

[dedja]

LOL, the higher RON you go, the more energy (oil) you require to make the stuff, so higher octane fuel is more environment unfriendly when you consider the refining process.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Is there a comparison?

[dedja]

How long is a piece of string?

Dunno, maybe a 1% decrease in refining efficiency for every 1 RON increase, which equates to a shitload of barrels.

[Psyber]

No - I'm saying anyone can use of statistics to support an argument.
Are you saying Belize, Qatar, Guyana, Malaysia, UAE, Kuwait, PNG, Brunei and Australia are the worst polluters in the World?
OK, lets cut their omissions in half in the next year and see what difference that makes to total output
It would equal 5 days of China's output
All produce oil and all have small populations

After visiting a few cities in India this month I now know what pollution in all its forms looks like.
I can't decide whether Mumbai or Agra was worst.

[mick]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-02/kristina-keneally-says-repeal-the-carbon-tax/3984042 - someone finally saying something sensible in the ALP

[Sojourner]

A failed NSW Premier giving advice to Julia Gillard... choice

Did I hear that China have bluntly refused to pay the EU carbon tax levy on Chinese aircraft flying into EU airports? And the EU have immediantly bent over and excused them from it?

[Jimmy_041]

A failed ALP leader giving advice to another one... choice

I thought I'd correct it for you