by Insider_Trading » Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:54 am
by Trader » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:06 am
holdy2323 wrote:Under_Scrutiny wrote:Senor Moto Gadili wrote:Port Pirie Power wrote:Travis might be wishing he spoke differently at the presentation night now.
Ain't karma great
Yep the 'Prince of ATCA' might have got that one wrong on prezo night. In fairness to him, he didn't fire shots at Goodwood, but sure did to the rest of the A1 clubs.
Shame about Payneham Oval and that final. Never would have happened under Keith Duke's watch. The club has fallen a bit since their glory days under his reign, but good to see they've got out of A3.
What was said?
by heater31 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:18 am
Trader wrote:
Then he has a crack at other clubs who didn't stick around for a beer post game during the season, which I thought was fair enough but clearly offended some in the room.
by whufc » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:22 am
by OKC! » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:42 am
by helicopterking » Wed Mar 27, 2024 10:58 am
by no_remorse28 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:13 pm
by Harry49 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:27 pm
by helicopterking » Wed Mar 27, 2024 12:47 pm
Harry49 wrote:I've been hearing that there are plenty of submissions being prepared for by-law changes for next season. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a fair bit of commentary about 2nd innings in two-day cricket where there is no chance of an outright
by Trader » Wed Mar 27, 2024 1:30 pm
by helicopterking » Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:15 pm
Trader wrote:Consider this.
Side A plays out north on a road. They often bat the majority of their overs. With scores regularly in the realm of 7/300 from 80 overs.
Side B plays down south with a deck that has a bit more life. Their usual scores are 10/180 from 65 overs.
They both win and lose a similar amount of games.
Bonus points:
Side A gets 7*0.3+300*0.015 points = 6.6 points, all in the first innings.
Side B gets 10*0.3+180*0.015 points = 5.7 points, but they've still got 25 overs they can play on day 2...
Over the course of 11 rounds, if there are no second innings points, Side A finishes a full win ahead of side B (0.9*11rounds = 9.9 points, a win worth 10).
If you move to a system where runs and wickets only count in the first innings, it disadvantages those clubs that play on decks with a bit of life, or clubs with stronger bowling attacks than batting orders (as 25-30 of their 160 overs each round won't attract bonus points).
By scraping second innings bonus points, you will see a shift where clubs are going to either roll flatter wickets, or pick an extra batsman and use a part-timer to get through a few overs, I don't think that's a good thing for competitive games of cricket.
The other consideration is a lot of sides, especially in the lower grades where 1 or 2 better players both bat and bowl, often have a player or two that bats 7,8or9 and doesn't bowl much.
These second innings 'dead time' are the perfect opportunity to throw them up the order, or give them a few extra overs with the ball where it won't cost you the win, but the cricket is still worth playing (albeit the bonus points are worth 33% less in the second dig vs the first).
Oh, and don't forget, if both teams hate it so much, there is nothing forcing teams to keep playing. Both captains can shake hands and walk off.
by The Old Fellow » Wed Mar 27, 2024 2:35 pm
helicopterking wrote:Trader wrote:Consider this.
Side A plays out north on a road. They often bat the majority of their overs. With scores regularly in the realm of 7/300 from 80 overs.
Side B plays down south with a deck that has a bit more life. Their usual scores are 10/180 from 65 overs.
They both win and lose a similar amount of games.
Bonus points:
Side A gets 7*0.3+300*0.015 points = 6.6 points, all in the first innings.
Side B gets 10*0.3+180*0.015 points = 5.7 points, but they've still got 25 overs they can play on day 2...
Over the course of 11 rounds, if there are no second innings points, Side A finishes a full win ahead of side B (0.9*11rounds = 9.9 points, a win worth 10).
If you move to a system where runs and wickets only count in the first innings, it disadvantages those clubs that play on decks with a bit of life, or clubs with stronger bowling attacks than batting orders (as 25-30 of their 160 overs each round won't attract bonus points).
By scraping second innings bonus points, you will see a shift where clubs are going to either roll flatter wickets, or pick an extra batsman and use a part-timer to get through a few overs, I don't think that's a good thing for competitive games of cricket.
The other consideration is a lot of sides, especially in the lower grades where 1 or 2 better players both bat and bowl, often have a player or two that bats 7,8or9 and doesn't bowl much.
These second innings 'dead time' are the perfect opportunity to throw them up the order, or give them a few extra overs with the ball where it won't cost you the win, but the cricket is still worth playing (albeit the bonus points are worth 33% less in the second dig vs the first).
Oh, and don't forget, if both teams hate it so much, there is nothing forcing teams to keep playing. Both captains can shake hands and walk off.
Pointless 2nd innings is not a good thing for Competitive games of cricket as it’s junk time. There’s a reason SACA don’t have it, they don’t want inflated averages and play being a low standard and become farcical.
How many ‘Bonus Points’ is ‘Side B’ going to get batting for 12 overs? .75/1?
It’s just not worth the game turning into a shit fest between players and umpires.
by Harry49 » Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:17 pm
The Old Fellow wrote:helicopterking wrote:Trader wrote:Consider this.
Side A plays out north on a road. They often bat the majority of their overs. With scores regularly in the realm of 7/300 from 80 overs.
Side B plays down south with a deck that has a bit more life. Their usual scores are 10/180 from 65 overs.
They both win and lose a similar amount of games.
Bonus points:
Side A gets 7*0.3+300*0.015 points = 6.6 points, all in the first innings.
Side B gets 10*0.3+180*0.015 points = 5.7 points, but they've still got 25 overs they can play on day 2...
Over the course of 11 rounds, if there are no second innings points, Side A finishes a full win ahead of side B (0.9*11rounds = 9.9 points, a win worth 10).
If you move to a system where runs and wickets only count in the first innings, it disadvantages those clubs that play on decks with a bit of life, or clubs with stronger bowling attacks than batting orders (as 25-30 of their 160 overs each round won't attract bonus points).
By scraping second innings bonus points, you will see a shift where clubs are going to either roll flatter wickets, or pick an extra batsman and use a part-timer to get through a few overs, I don't think that's a good thing for competitive games of cricket.
The other consideration is a lot of sides, especially in the lower grades where 1 or 2 better players both bat and bowl, often have a player or two that bats 7,8or9 and doesn't bowl much.
These second innings 'dead time' are the perfect opportunity to throw them up the order, or give them a few extra overs with the ball where it won't cost you the win, but the cricket is still worth playing (albeit the bonus points are worth 33% less in the second dig vs the first).
Oh, and don't forget, if both teams hate it so much, there is nothing forcing teams to keep playing. Both captains can shake hands and walk off.
Pointless 2nd innings is not a good thing for Competitive games of cricket as it’s junk time. There’s a reason SACA don’t have it, they don’t want inflated averages and play being a low standard and become farcical.
How many ‘Bonus Points’ is ‘Side B’ going to get batting for 12 overs? .75/1?
It’s just not worth the game turning into a shit fest between players and umpires.
If you are trying to factor pitch conditions into how bonus points work go one step further and factor In size of ovals and the quickness of the outfield.
by Whatsfordinner » Wed Mar 27, 2024 8:53 pm
by Aerie » Thu Mar 28, 2024 8:29 am
Harry49 wrote:The Old Fellow wrote:helicopterking wrote:Trader wrote:Consider this.
Side A plays out north on a road. They often bat the majority of their overs. With scores regularly in the realm of 7/300 from 80 overs.
Side B plays down south with a deck that has a bit more life. Their usual scores are 10/180 from 65 overs.
They both win and lose a similar amount of games.
Bonus points:
Side A gets 7*0.3+300*0.015 points = 6.6 points, all in the first innings.
Side B gets 10*0.3+180*0.015 points = 5.7 points, but they've still got 25 overs they can play on day 2...
Over the course of 11 rounds, if there are no second innings points, Side A finishes a full win ahead of side B (0.9*11rounds = 9.9 points, a win worth 10).
If you move to a system where runs and wickets only count in the first innings, it disadvantages those clubs that play on decks with a bit of life, or clubs with stronger bowling attacks than batting orders (as 25-30 of their 160 overs each round won't attract bonus points).
By scraping second innings bonus points, you will see a shift where clubs are going to either roll flatter wickets, or pick an extra batsman and use a part-timer to get through a few overs, I don't think that's a good thing for competitive games of cricket.
The other consideration is a lot of sides, especially in the lower grades where 1 or 2 better players both bat and bowl, often have a player or two that bats 7,8or9 and doesn't bowl much.
These second innings 'dead time' are the perfect opportunity to throw them up the order, or give them a few extra overs with the ball where it won't cost you the win, but the cricket is still worth playing (albeit the bonus points are worth 33% less in the second dig vs the first).
Oh, and don't forget, if both teams hate it so much, there is nothing forcing teams to keep playing. Both captains can shake hands and walk off.
Pointless 2nd innings is not a good thing for Competitive games of cricket as it’s junk time. There’s a reason SACA don’t have it, they don’t want inflated averages and play being a low standard and become farcical.
How many ‘Bonus Points’ is ‘Side B’ going to get batting for 12 overs? .75/1?
It’s just not worth the game turning into a shit fest between players and umpires.
If you are trying to factor pitch conditions into how bonus points work go one step further and factor In size of ovals and the quickness of the outfield.
How does the Premier Comp work, is it done by net run rate? Could that potentially be used?
Personally, I think it will keep more people in the game and families happier if every few weeks you may finish at 5pm instead of 6pm. It will likely increase revenue for clubs with opposition players hanging around for a beer or two after the game rather than rushing back to their club, not to mention the savings on purchasing new cricket balls for 2nd innings where an outright is unrealistic.
by Whatsfordinner » Wed Apr 10, 2024 4:49 pm
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