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ferret wrote:

Arch44 wrote:With West Torrens having their Presentation night at Woodville on the weekend. Is this the first sign of small steps towards a merger?

It was at the WWT football club NOT the Woodville cricket club.

Which is at Woodville

Bit of a strong rumour going around that the SACA Premier Cricket comp will go to 14 teams to get rid of the Bye. May not have time to happen this season, but the following season a team in Mount Barker will be added.

Is one of the biggest growing areas, with a fantastic new facility, not that far to go, and only affect Sturt and Kensington a bit as the kids normally go to those clubs.

West Torrens proposed this six or seven years ago when we were under the pump.

Obviously a different direction than reducing the number of clubs, will be interesting to see if this idea grows wings.

Clubs will probably vote it down [emoji6] [emoji23]

Eagles2014 wrote:Bit of a strong rumour going around that the SACA Premier Cricket comp will go to 14 teams to get rid of the Bye. May not have time to happen this season, but the following season a team in Mount Barker will be added.

Is one of the biggest growing areas, with a fantastic new facility, not that far to go, and only affect Sturt and Kensington a bit as the kids normally go to those clubs.

West Torrens proposed this six or seven years ago when we were under the pump.

Obviously a different direction than reducing the number of clubs, will be interesting to see if this idea grows wings.

All the logic has been we need to reduce teams to make the state team successful. Last time SA won a shield the comp was 14 teams.

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The facility is already built and is close enough to Adelaide. It makes sense to have a high level club/coaching out there to capture talented sports people to play cricket. Strath and Murray Bridge not too far away either as are the many towns that populate the Adelaide Hills.

If this move happens, it may help capture a talented young sportsperson who may have chosen another sport to play, who might then go on to First Class Cricket.

It won't help the standard of cricket if there are 14 teams instead of 13 playing First Grade.

Some sort of Divisional concept makes the most sense to me.

Throw the net wide to capture the most talent and filter it through to have the best talent playing against each other more often.

Eagles2014 wrote:

Tony Clifton wrote:I see that SACA are advertising for a new manager of premier cricket

Very important appointment then

Joel Cross starts in the role next week

Believe Woodville have appointed a new coach, anyone know who it is?

The Hound wrote:Believe Woodville have appointed a new coach, anyone know who it is?

What happened to Peter Sleep?

Eagles2014 wrote:

The Hound wrote:Believe Woodville have appointed a new coach, anyone know who it is?

What happened to Peter Sleep?

putting his effort into the Root academy and flipping houses

The Angry Bull wrote:

Eagles2014 wrote:

The Hound wrote:Believe Woodville have appointed a new coach, anyone know who it is?

What happened to Peter Sleep?

putting his effort into the Root academy and flipping houses

Hearing Luke Wells got the gig

2 divisions as of 23/24 as per SACA members email.

6 teams in Division 1. The rest in division 2. No mention of a 14th side yet. But surely once the dust settles on this division setup it might be considered.

heater31 wrote:2 divisions as of 23/24 as per SACA members email.

6 teams in Division 1. The rest in division 2. No mention of a 14th side yet. But surely once the dust settles on this division setup it might be considered.

Puts lot of pressure on Clubs to finish top 6 this season, if that is how they will determine the Div 1 sides. Expect Clubs to try and load up on talent to make sure of it. Imagine if Kensy or Uni have a below average season and finish 7th, be spewing they have dominated for so long and end up in Div 2

Eagles2014 wrote:

heater31 wrote:2 divisions as of 23/24 as per SACA members email.

6 teams in Division 1. The rest in division 2. No mention of a 14th side yet. But surely once the dust settles on this division setup it might be considered.

Puts lot of pressure on Clubs to finish top 6 this season, if that is how they will determine the Div 1 sides. Expect Clubs to try and load up on talent to make sure of it. Imagine if Kensy or Uni have a below average season and finish 7th, be spewing they have dominated for so long and end up in Div 2

Will it be one up one down each year for promotion/relegation?

whufc wrote:

Eagles2014 wrote:

heater31 wrote:2 divisions as of 23/24 as per SACA members email.

6 teams in Division 1. The rest in division 2. No mention of a 14th side yet. But surely once the dust settles on this division setup it might be considered.

Puts lot of pressure on Clubs to finish top 6 this season, if that is how they will determine the Div 1 sides. Expect Clubs to try and load up on talent to make sure of it. Imagine if Kensy or Uni have a below average season and finish 7th, be spewing they have dominated for so long and end up in Div 2

Will it be one up one down each year for promotion/relegation?

Yes, that is the proposal. Be a bit boring playing the same five or so clubs few times a year

Eagles2014 wrote:

whufc wrote:

Eagles2014 wrote:

heater31 wrote:2 divisions as of 23/24 as per SACA members email.

6 teams in Division 1. The rest in division 2. No mention of a 14th side yet. But surely once the dust settles on this division setup it might be considered.

Puts lot of pressure on Clubs to finish top 6 this season, if that is how they will determine the Div 1 sides. Expect Clubs to try and load up on talent to make sure of it. Imagine if Kensy or Uni have a below average season and finish 7th, be spewing they have dominated for so long and end up in Div 2

Will it be one up one down each year for promotion/relegation?

Yes, that is the proposal. Be a bit boring playing the same five or so clubs few times a year

Yeah agree. I get they want to keep the premier division exclusive and high level but 6 seems a small amount of teams.

Makes sense. There should be some weighting of performances in recent seasons to determine who is Div 1 and who is Div 2 though. Imagine Prospect loading up on players and finishing 6th, while Kensington have a down year and finish 7th. A move in the right direction to strengthen Grade cricket though.

Aerie wrote:Makes sense. There should be some weighting of performances in recent seasons to determine who is Div 1 and who is Div 2 though. Imagine Prospect loading up on players and finishing 6th, while Kensington have a down year and finish 7th. A move in the right direction to strengthen Grade cricket though.

Like that alot, think initial idea is just Top 6 from this year. Seems a bit unfair as you allude to.

There are so many follow up questions that need to be answered if the vote goes in favour of the Division split. ALL clubs will be trying to recruit to give themselves the best opportunity to finish up the ladder because who's going to want to play at a Div 2 side. It will become infinitely harder for those clubs out of the top 5/6 clubs to ever become competitive with the top group. Where does that leave the metro/regional zones? Does that become a free for all? Does the SACA funding stay the same? Do the Div 1 clubs get more than the Div 2 clubs? To get an opportunity at the next level, do you have to be at a Div 1 club? Would that mean someone with aspirations to play for the Redbacks, let's say Isaac Conway, would he have to leave Port and move to another club? Will they put in place rules around player movement between clubs?

My opinion is, this is their best way of getting what they want while allowing the individual clubs to keep their identities. The top 4/5 clubs will get to play each other every year and there'll be 2/3 teams on the periphery that will get an opportunity each year. I agree that there should be more to just this seasons results to determine the divisions. Club structure, finances, facilities and player development should all be part of the process.

Final thought, I wonder whether this will make clubs look at approaching other clubs to talk about merging???

A few thoughts:

- Re the initial Div 1 & Div 2 teams: Points from 2-day Season minor round 19/20 worth 20%, 20/21 40%, 21/22 60% and the upcoming season worth 100% and add them together to determine which team plays in which division.

- 2nd Grade shouldn't be caught up in the Divisional concept. If you want the top club of Div 2 to make a serious run at being competitive in Div 1, let their best juniors/up and comers be playing competitively at 2nd Grade level against similar abilities the season before.

- The Finals of the 2-day competition should remain and consist of the top 2 from Div 1 (in positions 1 & 2) and the top 2 from Div 2 (in positions 3 & 4) - whereby 1st plays 4th and 2nd plays 3rd in the Semi Final as is currently the case. The Semi-Final winners play off for a Div 1 Premiership and the losers for a Div 2 Premiership.

- The One-Day and T20 comps should run the same way as the 2-day comp with 2 divisions (the Finals series the same as above), but only the 2-day comp counts for promotion/relegation.

Aerie wrote:- The Finals of the 2-day competition should remain and consist of the top 2 from Div 1 (in positions 1 & 2) and the top 2 from Div 2 (in positions 3 & 4) - whereby 1st plays 4th and 2nd plays 3rd in the Semi Final as is currently the case. The Semi-Final winners play off for a Div 1 Premiership and the losers for a Div 2 Premiership.

Can you please explain your finals concept further?

Are you honestly suggesting the side that finishes 3rd in Div 1 misses finals altogether but the side that finished 2nd playing Div 2 teams all year not only makes finals, but can win the toss on a wet deck, and all of a sudden be playing in the Div 1 GF?

I must have misunderstood what you are proposing...