SA Footy

Interesting article on the History of the Place Kick courtesy of Barries Corner on the NAFC website!

http://www.nafc.com.au/barriescorner/p1209.aspx

What I would like to know, is if in the modern game, doing this is still permitted in the rules?

This could prove to be a difficult "spelly stat", yet in the history of the SANFL when both kicking styles for goal were used, which was the more effective?

Sojourner wrote:What I would like to know, is if in the modern game, doing this is still permitted in the rules?

I'm pretty sure it was outlawed, but not 100% sure about that.

Interesting this topic came up right now, after training at my son's club last week a couple of younger kids were trying to kick goals from place kicks, I don't think they were succesful once

Ian wrote:

Sojourner wrote:What I would like to know, is if in the modern game, doing this is still permitted in the rules?

I'm pretty sure it was outlawed, but not 100% sure about that.

Interesting this topic came up right now, after training at my son's club last week a couple of younger kids were trying to kick goals from place kicks, I don't think they were succesful once

Having read the Law book many times to my knowledge there is no specific reference banning teh place kick. However a zealous umpire could pay a free kick for time wasting. I have often wondered what would be the ramifications if a player took a mark late in the last qtr of a final, with his team less than a goal up and he set up for a place kick to waste time....

Could placing the ball on the ground be considered an attempted bounce and therefore the umpire could call "play on"?

I think Mick Clingly from West Torrens was the last player to use a place kick in the SANFL. That was back in the 1950s. I would imagine the place kick evolved out of the game due to the time wastage.

I recall when I started playing, there was only a limited time you had to kick for goal. By the time you placed the ball on the ground, or on a plastic mound and went back to kick, your time would have well and truly elapsed.

Round 17 1956 was when Clingly used the place kick to score one of his 12 goals for the day.

I think it still could be done, but what would need to happen is for a trainer to be out on the ground with the plastic holder ready for someone so it can be set straight away. Placing the ball on the ground after a mark I would say is the same as doing it in order to tie the bootlaces. In fact, while the ball is being set, that could be done so the umpire calls time on! And therefore no more time is wasted than a normal set shot.

I would image the only time for such shenannigans would be late in the last quarter when the side is already home. Hey, it might even make the back page of the Advertiser!

from my knowlegde it is mick clingly that had the last place kick in sanfl footy, i seem to recall listening to the radio one day & i'm sure i heard that the place kick is against the laws of the game & has been for many a year


for those that don't know a place kick is like a rugby player kicking for a goal conversion (or whatever it's called)

bayman wrote:from my knowlegde it is mick clingly that had the last place kick in sanfl footy, i seem to recall listening to the radio one day & i'm sure i heard that the place kick is against the laws of the game & has been for many a year


for those that don't know a place kick is like a rugby player kicking for a goal conversion (or whatever it's called)

I find it amazing the number of rules that are not in the rule book. I can't find any reference stating you can't do it, but I'm not surprised if it's an "unwritten rule".

spell_check wrote:

bayman wrote:from my knowlegde it is mick clingly that had the last place kick in sanfl footy, i seem to recall listening to the radio one day & i'm sure i heard that the place kick is against the laws of the game & has been for many a year


for those that don't know a place kick is like a rugby player kicking for a goal conversion (or whatever it's called)

I find it amazing the number of rules that are not in the rule book. I can't find any reference stating you can't do it, but I'm not surprised if it's an "unwritten rule".

You can stop looking Spelly because the place kick has never been outlawed. It has just become obselete, along with the drop kick, flat punt, stab pass, etc. Coaches just won't allow it these days.

bayman wrote:from my knowlegde it is mick clingly that had the last place kick in sanfl footy, i seem to recall listening to the radio one day & i'm sure i heard that the place kick is against the laws of the game & has been for many a year


for those that don't know a place kick is like a rugby player kicking for a goal conversion (or whatever it's called)

Mate, I'd be happy to give you a law book on Saturday and if you can find where it is out-lawed you'd be doing me a favour.

Where it is difficult now to do a place kick is the 2006 interpretation of law 15.9.1 (the MAtthew Lloyd 30 sec interpretation) where umpires were encouraged to pay a free kick for time wasting if a player took longer than 30secs from the time they were awarded a mark or free kick to when they commenced their run in for a shot on goal

Law 1.1 definition of a kick doesn't proclude a place kick - a kick is when contact is made with the ball below the knee, doesn't say it has to be dropped by hand. The only listed incorrect disposals of a football (Law 15.3.2) is a throw or hand-off.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:

spell_check wrote:

bayman wrote:from my knowlegde it is mick clingly that had the last place kick in sanfl footy, i seem to recall listening to the radio one day & i'm sure i heard that the place kick is against the laws of the game & has been for many a year


for those that don't know a place kick is like a rugby player kicking for a goal conversion (or whatever it's called)

I find it amazing the number of rules that are not in the rule book. I can't find any reference stating you can't do it, but I'm not surprised if it's an "unwritten rule".

You can stop looking Spelly because the place kick has never been outlawed. It has just become obselete, along with the drop kick, flat punt, stab pass, etc. Coaches just won't allow it these days.

I don't see what harm it could do with 10 minutes to go and your side is 60+ points up. I'll bet a coach will still make the player do x amount of push ups/laps/chin ups or whatever demanding activity afterwards though.

spell_check wrote:I don't see what harm it could do with 10 minutes to go and your side is 60+ points up. I'll bet a coach will still make the player do x amount of push ups/laps/chin ups or whatever demanding activity afterwards though.

I wouldn't think a current player would even realise it would be a legitimate kick, unless they are keen students of the game's history. They would have seen it in rugby and gridiron, but never dreamed they could do it in an Aussie Rules game.

"Bring it back!"

Adelaide Hawk wrote:

spell_check wrote:I don't see what harm it could do with 10 minutes to go and your side is 60+ points up. I'll bet a coach will still make the player do x amount of push ups/laps/chin ups or whatever demanding activity afterwards though.

I wouldn't think a current player would even realise it would be a legitimate kick, unless they are keen students of the game's history. They would have seen it in rugby and gridiron, but never dreamed they could do it in an Aussie Rules game.

Hopefully a few players read about it here then and get an idea or two about when and how to go about doing it.

Psyber wrote:"Bring it back!"

Maybe we could arrange a sponsor to offer $1,000 to the first player who deploys a place kick during a SANFL league match,

Adelaide Hawk wrote:

Psyber wrote:"Bring it back!"

Maybe we could arrange a sponsor to offer $1,000 to the first player who deploys a place kick during a SANFL league match,

That would be a nice encouragement, but I think the coach would want a share of that in turn for not using disciplinary actions.

The other noticeable thing about watching footage from the 50's/60's was the "flick pass" (noticed that a bit on the footage of State games at half time of ABC's coverage this year). Anyone know when this feature of our game was outlawed?

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:

bayman wrote:from my knowlegde it is mick clingly that had the last place kick in sanfl footy, i seem to recall listening to the radio one day & i'm sure i heard that the place kick is against the laws of the game & has been for many a year


for those that don't know a place kick is like a rugby player kicking for a goal conversion (or whatever it's called)

Mate, I'd be happy to give you a law book on Saturday and if you can find where it is out-lawed you'd be doing me a favour.

Where it is difficult now to do a place kick is the 2006 interpretation of law 15.9.1 (the MAtthew Lloyd 30 sec interpretation) where umpires were encouraged to pay a free kick for time wasting if a player took longer than 30secs from the time they were awarded a mark or free kick to when they commenced their run in for a shot on goal

Law 1.1 definition of a kick doesn't proclude a place kick - a kick is when contact is made with the ball below the knee, doesn't say it has to be dropped by hand. The only listed incorrect disposals of a football (Law 15.3.2) is a throw or hand-off.

tassie, i'm sure i heard kg doing a 'where are they now' & the subject came up & they/he said it was outlawed, either way we wont ever see it again in footy

GWW wrote:The other noticeable thing about watching footage from the 50's/60's was the "flick pass" (noticed that a bit on the footage of State games at half time of ABC's coverage this year). Anyone know when this feature of our game was outlawed?

I don't know precisely the year, but when I really started watching league football in 1965, I recall Bill Wedding flicking one out and getting pinged. He looked bemused at first, then realised what he'd done. I heard someone in the crowd comment something about old habits dying hard. I am guessing it was outlawed in the early 60s, possibly as late as 1964.

I've got the 1961 VFL GF on DVD, and Ted Whitten was flicking them out all over the place, so it was either in vogue that day, or the umpiring was terrible