glenelg's 1985 premiership team?

[Hondo]

Oh yeah

For the sake of the hypothetical I'm claiming him back! Should never have damn well gone in the first place.

[am Bays]

Seebs was under-rated by many outside the Bays but not by those within it. Ultimate team man - didn't beat every opponent but he was never beaten. A bit like Malcolm Young in AC/DC not the front man (captain) of the team but when he spoke it was LAW around the playing group. Others got a lot of the glory for our 85-86 flags but we wouldn't have won those flags without Seebs.

Westy was a better backman than Murphy. Murph didn't play until Rd 12 in 1990 as he came back after being de-listed prior to the pre-season draft. He misses out as he was a forward and we have plenty of those better than him. Purely team balance but proves that we had a pretty decent team if we could afford to leave Murph out.

AH I reckon we would've won the 1990 flag if Alan Stringer decided to stay for one more year. He was only 29 IIRC when he decided to play back home in 1990 so would've been a strong experienced body in the guts in that GF and around the pill. A question that I have always wondered, along with would we have won 1977 if we had Marker on Ebert.

Ah well, would've, should've, could've; Port won both we didn't thats all the really counts.

[JK]

Seebs was under-rated by many outside the Bays but not by those within it. Ultimate team man - didn't beat every opponent but he was never beaten. A bit like Malcolm Young in AC/DC not the front man (captain) of the team but when he spoke it was LAW around the playing group. Others got a lot of the glory for our 85-86 flags but we wouldn't have won those flags without Seebs.

Always rated him ... Didn't matter which end of the ground he was playing I don't think he played a bad game against Norwood from 1985 onward.

[Dogwatcher]

As anything, it'd be interesting to know "where are they know".
There are certainly some high profile names there...

[Magpiespower]

Reakon a very young Fabian Francis might also have been running around in Port's magoos in 1990...

North... B Hart (just!)

IIRC, made his debut in the 1990 1SF?

Whatever happened to Bill Lokan after his Fitzroy days ended?

[Dogwatcher]

Teacher at Trinity College.
Coached in Mid North. Possibly Min Man.

[Leaping Lindner]

Reakon a very young Fabian Francis might also have been running around in Port's magoos in 1990...

North... B Hart (just!)

IIRC, made his debut in the 1990 1SF?

Whatever happened to Bill Lokan after his Fitzroy days ended?

Ben Hart and Peter Turner both debuted in that game.


BTW We could also include in that side some junior who went to the AFL in 1990 called Wayne Carey.

[Adelaide Hawk]

AH I reckon we would've won the 1990 flag if Alan Stringer decided to stay for one more year. He was only 29 IIRC when he decided to play back home in 1990 so would've been a strong experienced body in the guts in that GF and around the pill. A question that I have always wondered, along with would we have won 1977 if we had Marker on Ebert.

Ah well, would've, should've, could've; Port won both we didn't thats all the really counts.

Yes, as you say it's all a case of would've, should've, could've but you make good points about player unavailability and the timing of their departures. Stringer was indeed a driving force and could have made a difference.

As you may or may not know, I was/am a massive Peter Marker fan. A fit Peter Marker would have made a 4-5 goal difference to that team, there's no doubt in my mind about that.

However, Port possibly had tales of woe as well, a club often goes into a Grand Final without their potential strongest line up, so I guess we will never know. I also think there was a factor of whether Glenelg honestly felt they could ever beat Port in a Grand Final. I know Norwood always fancied our chances of beating Port if we could get to them, but we kept losing to other clubs along the way.

[Hondo]

Ben Hart and Peter Turner both debuted in that game.

I was at that game. One of Darren Jarman's last games for North. I recall him being a but overweight but playing full forward and simply being a class above the other 39 players out there that day.

[am Bays]

However, Port possibly had tales of woe as well, a club often goes into a Grand Final without their potential strongest line up, so I guess we will never know. I also think there was a factor of whether Glenelg honestly felt they could ever beat Port in a Grand Final. I know Norwood always fancied our chances of beating Port if we could get to them, but we kept losing to other clubs along the way.

Agreed, it would be interesting to get a Port supporters perspective of any significant players missing from their 1977 GF team.

IIRC correctly Port were a driven team in 1977 as they felt they let one slip in 1976.

[GWW]

Re Seebohm, did he go from Full Forward to CHB or vice versa?

[Adelaide Hawk]

Re Seebohm, did he go from Full Forward to CHB or vice versa?

I think he started as a defender and went forward after that.

[am Bays]

Re Seebohm, did he go from Full Forward to CHB or vice versa?

Backs to forwards to backs. Played everywhere did Seebs. Filled many a hole in our side, just wheel him out, tell him where to play, then set and forget. Would come back in post game with either having broken even or won his possie. Super player, super club man, super bloke.

[Dirko]

Re Seebohm, did he go from Full Forward to CHB or vice versa?

I think he started as a defender and went forward after that.

Yep, started back and went forward. 319 games, 214 goals.

[am Bays]

Re Seebohm, did he go from Full Forward to CHB or vice versa?

I think he started as a defender and went forward after that.

Yep, started back and went forward. 319 games, 214 goals.

He finished down back in 1990-93.

[Squawk]

It would be great if someone had a list of every player who left the SANFL from say 1980 -1989 to play VFL, year by year, club by club. That would be a really good read.

Am Bays - it's a big statement to say you'd trade your first born for....but I hear ya.

If you grew up watching SANFL pre-Crows, and you didn't jump off the SANFL, then it's probably almost fair to say that reminiscing about the glory days of games and clubs and players you watched in that era is somewhat akin to the way others reflect on eras like the depression, or the liberating 60s, or the times of Elvis and the Beatles.

I remember when I was growing up, I often wondered what I would have to talk to my children and grandchildren about. Then the Berlin Wall came down in 1989 and I thought I finally had something I'd lived through that was world changing! Little did I know that the SANFL wall would be smashed down as well about that time. Thinking back to those times growing up with the SANFL is like thinking of my late grandfather who died in 1988. So many fond memories, yet so much pain for the loss.

[dedja]

Am Bays - it's a big statement to say you'd trade your first born for....but I hear ya.

I totally agree Squawk, but I'd be willing to part with my missus though.

[Hondo]

Thanks for the posts about Seebohm guys. Yes I did underrate him. I guess in an era of such big names he flew under my radar a bit. By comparison to some of his contempories he seemed more work-man like than brilliant. However, I do recall a very skilled and composed footballer. Happy to sub Murphy out for Seebohm in that 1990 hypothetical team.

I think the expanding VFL robbed us of what would have been a great era of Port-Glenelg-North rivalry. I say that with all due respect to Norwood but I feel those hypothetical 1990 teams have Norwood a shade behind those 3. Definitely the Bays were robbed of what could have been a really golden era of up to 2 more flags.

North's 1986 Fosters Cup performance proved that right up to the "end" (whenever we think that was - either 1990 or earlier) the very best SANFL sides could match it with most of their VFL counterparts. Maybe not the top 3 VFL teams at any point in time but any of the others.

[Magpiespower]

Agreed, it would be interesting to get a Port supporters perspective of any significant players missing from their 1977 GF team.

1977

CARL FRAGOMENI missed the finals through injury. Not sure about IAN VERRIER and ROBER WHATMAN? Both were regulars that year. But missed the the GF.

RANDALL GERLACH defied doctor's and played the whole season with a bung kidney. Retired after the game.

By half-time, we were down to 16 fit men. KYM KINNEAR (concussion) and DARRELL CAHILL (thigh) were off. TIM EVANS was groggy after a "head clash". And IVAN ECKERMANN sat in the forward pocket with a heavily-strapped thigh.

Kicked three crucial goals.

1990

Walking wounded.

ROHAN SMITH (broken jaw) and DAVID BROWN (hamstring) were ruled out through injury. TIM GINEVER had his ankle in ice all week. BRUCE ABERNETHY's back was playing up. SIMON TREGENZA's eye almost closed-up after copping one in the Prelim.

Then the game started and RUSSELL JOHNSTON and SCOTT HODGES both went down with injuries. By half-time we only had 15 fit players on the ground.

Oh and RUSSELL BOYD was dropped for disciplinary reasons making way for ADRIAN SETTRE.

Kicked three crucial goals.

I was at that game. One of Darren Jarman's last games for North. I recall him being a but overweight but playing full forward and simply being a class above the other 39 players out there that day.

Kicked nine that day?

Pretty sure he kicked the first goal of the Prelim Final as well.

Port kicked the next fifteen.

[Rik E Boy]

Some want to "downgrade" Centrals premierships, saying they are not worth what they used to. Considering over the next few years before the Crows, 9 of those Glenelg players found their way to the VFL, should we view Port's 3-in-a-row as being a lesser achievement too?

I reckon that Glenelg side would pound any Centrals premiership winning combo.

regards,

REB