A question about a similar rule in sports around the world

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The Melee Rule.

Is there anything else like it in any other sport in the world, where fines are handed out for about of shoving around, grappling etc?

[Dutchy]

NBA is pretty strict...yesterday 2 Phoenix players got banned for 1 finals game just for coming off the bench when there was a small disturbance on the court..they didnt even get involved, just left the bench which they are not allowed to do

[Hondo]

Pretty sure the NFL is tough on that sort of stuff too

[spell_check]

Do they get fined for that? Or just suspensions?

[Punk Rooster]

NBA is pretty strict...yesterday 2 Phoenix players got banned for 1 finals game just for coming off the bench when there was a small disturbance on the court..they didnt even get involved, just left the bench which they are not allowed to do

just imagine though if players cleared the bench in an Aussie Rules game- there'd just about be a Royal Commission!

[Dutchy]

Do they get fined for that? Or just suspensions?

Stoudemire joins suspended trio
From correspondents in New York
May 16, 2007 THE National Basketball Association suspended Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw of Phoenix Suns and San Antonio Spurs Robert Horry today.

The NBA's disciplinary committee announced that each Phoenix player would be suspended for one game without pay after an altercation between players from both teams in their Western Conference play-off semi-final yesterday.

Stu Jackson, executive vice-president of basketball operations, said Horry would receive the biggest penalty - a two game ban for a hard foul on Phoenix's most valuable player Steve Nash and for elbowing Nash's teammate Raja Bell in the head.

Stoudemire and Diaw were booked for leaving the players bench although neither got involved in the altercation at San Antonio's AT&T Centre.

The suspensions mean Phoenix will be without their star and top scorer Stoudemire and Diaw for game five tomorrow.

The fighting started after Horry hammered Nash into the scorers table with 18 seconds remaining in the fourth period of the Suns 104-98 win which levelled the best of seven series at two games each.

The Suns are the biggest losers as Stoudemire is the Suns' No.1 centre averaging 20.4 points and 9.6 rebounds during the regular season.

Stoudemire has stepped up his play in the play-offs, averaging 23.9 points and 12.1 rebounds in nine play-off games.

Diaw is one of their top players coming off the bench averaging 7.2 points in the post-season.

Horry has been averaging 6.4 points off the bench for the Spurs

[redden whites]

Has the NHL got really tough on all in brawls??
Now seem to see quite often 2 guys toe to toe with everyone else patiently waiting for to stop.

[spell_check]

Is it a set rule though or was that kind of a one off or only in place for serious incidents? Of course what I am saying is that the melee rule is quite laughable.

"An incident involving three or more players and/or officials who are grappling or otherwise struggling with one another..."

Even the way it's written it's a joke.

[Hondo]

Spelly it does seem like an over-the-top rule but I looked in to the NFL rule-book and you can barely clench a fist without penalties coming in it. Their rules are less specific than AFL but they tend to use generic terms like "unsportsman-like conduct" and then leave it with the referees to judge on the day. Put it this way, I can't remember seeing anything even like the Collingwood-Carlton incident in the NFL.

When reading below, note that 15 yards of a 100 yard field in the NFL is a big penalty. Average touchdowns in NFL would be 2-4 per game and 15 yards can be crucial. You rarely see un-disciplined acts by the players because of that.

Penalties:
15 Yards (and disqualification if flagrant)

1. Striking opponent with fist.
2. Kicking or kneeing opponent.
3. Striking opponent on head or neck with forearm, elbow, or hands whether or not the initial contact is made below the neck area.
4. Roughing kicker.
5. Roughing passer.
6. Malicious unnecessary roughness.
7. Unsportsmanlike conduct.
8. Palpably unfair act. (Distance penalty determined by the Referee after consultation with other officials.)

[Mr66]

Has the NHL got really tough on all in brawls??
Now seem to see quite often 2 guys toe to toe with everyone else patiently waiting for to stop.

The NHL lets TWO guys go at it but if another joins in - The Third Man In Rule - he gets five minutes and
a possibly a game misconduct.

[heater31]

Has the NHL got really tough on all in brawls??
Now seem to see quite often 2 guys toe to toe with everyone else patiently waiting for to stop.

The NHL lets TWO guys go at it but if another joins in - The Third Man In Rule - he gets five minutes and
a possibly a game misconduct.

yeah just let two blokes go hammer n tong that makes sense

[RustyCage]

Spelly it does seem like an over-the-top rule but I looked in to the NFL rule-book and you can barely clench a fist without penalties coming in it. Their rules are less specific than AFL but they tend to use generic terms like "unsportsman-like conduct" and then leave it with the referees to judge on the day. Put it this way, I can't remember seeing anything even like the Collingwood-Carlton incident in the NFL.

When reading below, note that 15 yards of a 100 yard field in the NFL is a big penalty. Average touchdowns in NFL would be 2-4 per game and 15 yards can be crucial. You rarely see un-disciplined acts by the players because of that.

Penalties:
15 Yards (and disqualification if flagrant)

1. Striking opponent with fist.
2. Kicking or kneeing opponent.
3. Striking opponent on head or neck with forearm, elbow, or hands whether or not the initial contact is made below the neck area.
4. Roughing kicker.
5. Roughing passer.
6. Malicious unnecessary roughness.
7. Unsportsmanlike conduct.
8. Palpably unfair act. (Distance penalty determined by the Referee after consultation with other officials.)

With the NFL, its not the yardage thats the biggest penalty, its the first down that comes with it thats the killer.

[noone]

is the following play 1st and 5 with the penalty (given the penalty was 15 yards) or is it a normal first and ten?

[THE CHIEF]

it would be 1st and ten