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ADELAIDE NOW - KANGA'S BID $1M FOR JUDD

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:32 pm

Kangaroos bid $1m for Judd
DAMIAN BARRETT, MELBOURNE
April 14, 2007 02:15am
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THE Chris Judd auction has started, with an opening bid of $1million a year.

The Kangaroos yesterday placed that figure on the West Coast champion and vowed they had the funds and salary cap room to seriously offer it.
Judd will become the most sought player in the history of the game should he choose to leave Perth and head home to Melbourne at the end of the season, when his contract expires.

Kangaroos chairman Graham Duff raised the targeting of Judd yesterday when he said favourable financial forecasts would allow the club to compete for the West Coast captain. Asked what Judd was worth, Duff said: "That is a very good question - my personal view is he is a million-dollar man."

Asked if the Roos would consider offering that figure, out of a $7.4 million cap in 2008, to Judd, Duff said: "Absolutely, absolutely.

"As long as everything else works out right.

"I don't want to pre-empt our footy department, either.

"They are charged with the responsibility to get the right balance in our team but I doubt anyone in their right mind would say, 'We don't need Chris Judd'."


and i thought they had money troubles :shock:
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Postby Dutchy » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:58 pm

MT79, doesnt matter if you have money or not you cant exceed the salary cap, and we would have room in there as we have no one who would be on more than $300k, unlike most clubs who have at least one marque player taking 1/2 a mil...

You know the beauty of this scenario is if we finish low this season, he could potentially come to the roos without us giving anything to the West Coke Eagles!!!
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Postby TroyGFC » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:06 pm

You wonder how likely this will be, Judd moving east. I think could well do as he is too professional to play in a team of drugs out team-mates.
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Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:08 pm

TroyGFC wrote:You wonder how likely this will be, Judd moving east. I think could well do as he is too professional to play in a team of drugs out team-mates.


we all thought that cousins was too professional for drugs but look at him and who's to say that juddy isnt in on the act himself.
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Postby Hondo » Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:08 pm

I reckon Judd will move back to Melbourne at some stage. West Coast could use to it pick up so many early draft picks they could build up a dynasty.
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Postby Dutchy » Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:55 pm

hondo71 wrote:I reckon Judd will move back to Melbourne at some stage. West Coast could use to it pick up so many early draft picks they could build up a dynasty.


agree however the bottom team could pick him up in the preseason draft for nothing :lol:
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Postby Hondo » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:00 pm

Dutchy wrote:
hondo71 wrote:I reckon Judd will move back to Melbourne at some stage. West Coast could use to it pick up so many early draft picks they could build up a dynasty.


agree however the bottom team could pick him up in the preseason draft for nothing :lol:


Possible yes for sure .... however I doubt that a player with Judd's credentials would be left to chance in a pre-season draft - by either West Coast or the club(s) that wants him
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Postby Dutchy » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:03 pm

dont understand what you mean? if he is out of contract West Coast have no hold on him and if he comes to payment terms with the bottom team this year there is nothing stopping him going there, or even the 2nd or 3rd bottom team if the clubs below it cannot meet his payment terms (ie fit into their cap)
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Postby Hondo » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:04 pm

Dutchy wrote:dont understand what you mean? if he is out of contract West Coast have no hold on him and if he comes to payment terms with the bottom team this year there is nothing stopping him going there, or even the 2nd or 3rd bottom team if the clubs below it cannot meet his payment terms (ie fit into their cap)


We aren't talking Nick Stevens ... some clubs interested, some not. We are talking Chris Judd, arguably the best player in the comp and one of the best of all time. A player guaranteed to lift you at least 3-4 rungs up the ladder. All 10 clubs in Melbourne will be desparate to get him.

If you are West Coast's CEO and you don't do a deal with someone and let him go for nothing, you will get sacked. If you are CEO of any of the Victorian clubs other than the one that finished last, and you don't do whatever it takes (within reason) to get him to your club, prevent your rivals from grabbing him (before the trade period ends) or let the last-placed team get him for nothing, you will be sacked.

Your scenario is possible, I just reckon it's unlikely. You also have the issue of Judd not necessarially wanting to leave a premiership team and finish his career for the bottom-placed team.
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Postby Dutchy » Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:45 pm

I know where you are coming from however before taking him on clubs have to consider if they could fit him in the cap considering their exisiting commitments...I doubt Bullies, Hawks, Geelong, Melbourne, Saints, Essendon could fit him in at such short notice.

He is only 23 so going to the bottom club wont be an issue if he wants to return home, the issue of the bottom club getting him for free can be a bagaining chip for that team as they may in the end give something up but not at much as normal because WCE might think something is better than nothing.

The Stevens episode is a test case for this scenario and Port got nothing, alright he isnt a Judd but at that stage of Ports exisitence he was very important for their future...
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Postby Aerie » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:13 pm

Being a premiership skipper and the type of character Judd shows, there is no chance of him doing a Nick Stevens on West Coast. Especially to go to a struggler like the Kangas.
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Postby Dutchy » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:21 pm

Aerie wrote:Being a premiership skipper and the type of character Judd shows, there is no chance of him doing a Nick Stevens on West Coast. Especially to go to a struggler like the Kangas.


Why? if that is his only option to get back to Melbourne you dont think he would take it?

Kangas a struggler?...wtf :roll:
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Postby Hondo » Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:40 pm

Tell you what, it would be monster trade deal ... bigger than the Darren Jarman deal which involved four clubs (Hawks, Crows, Bombers and Swans) and so many players my research has probably missed someone. From what I can tell the trades were:

- Jarman and Caven to Adelaide
- Wellman and Barnard to Essendon
- Salmon, Kappler and a draft pick (used to get Daniel Chick) to Hawthorn
- Rouvray to Sydney

Judd's would eclipse that one I reckon. I wonder how many first round draft picks he would be worth?
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Postby Aerie » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:11 am

Dutchy wrote:
Aerie wrote:Being a premiership skipper and the type of character Judd shows, there is no chance of him doing a Nick Stevens on West Coast. Especially to go to a struggler like the Kangas.


Why? if that is his only option to get back to Melbourne you dont think he would take it?


No, I think he would be respected enough to work out a deal.

The Kangaroos would be the worse club to go to IMO. They're playing games all over the country (likely to go to GC full time soon), their supporter base is small, their facilities are ordinary. Unless you grew up supporting them, you'd surely be looking at a better club to play for if you had the choice.
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Postby sydney-dog » Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:19 am

but realisticly why would ajaudd go to a bottom team, given his success at the Eagles I am sure he would be chasing more finals footy and team glory.

i am not sure that he would want to move to a club that is re-building for the next 2-3 seasons
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Postby Dutchy » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:23 am

Aerie wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Aerie wrote:Being a premiership skipper and the type of character Judd shows, there is no chance of him doing a Nick Stevens on West Coast. Especially to go to a struggler like the Kangas.


Why? if that is his only option to get back to Melbourne you dont think he would take it?


No, I think he would be respected enough to work out a deal.

The Kangaroos would be the worse club to go to IMO. They're playing games all over the country (likely to go to GC full time soon), their supporter base is small, their facilities are ordinary. Unless you grew up supporting them, you'd surely be looking at a better club to play for if you had the choice.


They 3 games at Carrara, hardly "all over the country", how do you know they are "likely" to go to the GC soon? I would love to know your inside info as members dont have this info, supporter base is small but that isnt the clubs fault as acknowedged by the AFL, facilites will soon be the equal of other clubs, "a better club to play for" WTF? this is the team that has won 2 flags in the last 10 years, some havent won one for 40 years and counting!

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Postby Dutchy » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:25 am

sydney-dog wrote:but realisticly why would ajaudd go to a bottom team, given his success at the Eagles I am sure he would be chasing more finals footy and team glory.

i am not sure that he would want to move to a club that is re-building for the next 2-3 seasons


why not? as a professional he would see it as a great challenge I would have thought, again the guy is only 23....SD I thought you would know how the ca works and undestand that the better sides would not be able to find room for him for '08
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Postby Rik E Boy » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:35 am

Dutchy wrote:MT79, doesnt matter if you have money or not you cant exceed the salary cap, and we would have room in there as we have no one who would be on more than $300k, unlike most clubs who have at least one marque player taking 1/2 a mil...

You know the beauty of this scenario is if we finish low this season, he could potentially come to the roos without us giving anything to the West Coke Eagles!!!


Hang on Dutchy. You can't have your carp and eat it too. According to your prediction wouldn't he end up a Tiger?

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Postby Dutchy » Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:49 am

Rik E Boy wrote:
Dutchy wrote:MT79, doesnt matter if you have money or not you cant exceed the salary cap, and we would have room in there as we have no one who would be on more than $300k, unlike most clubs who have at least one marque player taking 1/2 a mil...

You know the beauty of this scenario is if we finish low this season, he could potentially come to the roos without us giving anything to the West Coke Eagles!!!


Hang on Dutchy. You can't have your carp and eat it too. According to your prediction wouldn't he end up a Tiger?

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I said a bottom club, not the bottom club, if Tigers could fit him in the cap then the next team in line gets a crack
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Postby sydney-dog » Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:00 pm

Dutchy

one of the greatest inconsistencies of the footy world is this "why are the majority of clubs on the limits of their Salary cap"

the reason is, under the current governing laws of the game, all sides must pay a minimum of their cap, this minimum does not give lower clubs too much flexibility to strategically position themselves for future purchases.

my view, this is too harsh on the bottom clubs, the ruling forces them to virtually pay their list the same $$ as the top clubs, even though their players are not performing to the same level.

given this, any club that would target Judd would need to make immediate sacrafices of their list, we are talking about top 10 players to make room to fit him in under the cap.

on the challenge of Judd going to a lower club, no m,atter who that club is, I supose Judd will need to be convinced that the has the potential in it's list to take immediate steps forward, most importantly, the club has the right culture, infrastructure, stability and roadmap for success.

Lets not forget, the Eagles have one of the youngest lists in the comp and could be on the verg of a Lions like dynasty, all this will come in to his decision making

most importantly, i am not convince, Judd will walk out on the Eagles if the club got nothing in return, my view is Judd is a man of the highest integrity and he would want a win - win situation for the eagles, in saying this, a club would need to give up plenty for his services, maybe future draft picks, for the next couple of drafts (which may be introduced this year)
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