General discussion/predictions - in lead up to 2016 season

[daysofourlives]

Whats happening with those rape allegations against the hawks players?

I guess they are being handled by the right authorities as Martin's case should be, not trial by media as Martins case currently is.
Where do the AFL and its clubs get off thinking they can over ride the law and subject its employees to far greater penalties than society in general sees fit.
Martin plays football because he is pretty good at it, doesnt mean he has to also choose to be a role model

[Fricky]

Whats happening with those rape allegations against the hawks players?

I guess they are being handled by the right authorities as Martin's case should be, not trial by media as Martins case currently is.
Where do the AFL and its clubs get off thinking they can over ride the law and subject its employees to far greater penalties than society in general sees fit.
Martin plays football because he is pretty good at it, doesnt mean he has to also choose to be a role model

No they didn't choose to be role models but threatening to stab a women in the eyes is pathetic regardless of who you are.

[Magellan]

A big difference between rape allegations (which are still to be proven, hence the need for the legal process to determine the answer) and an admission by Martin of, in essence, an assault. Not sure it's a trial by media when you've conceded your own guilt.

Not sure the AFL can override penalties for assault, which could result in jail time. Martin can consider himself lucky she didn't take it further.

Martin gets very, very well paid to play footy, more than many professionals, and live out every kid's dream. The trade off is that he simply has to not behave like a knob in public. He doesn't have to act like a role model, but he is in the public eye and has a profile like it or not. If he doesn't like what professional footy requires, he can go play in the parklands.

[Lightning McQueen]

A big difference between rape allegations (which are still to be proven, hence the need for the legal process to determine the answer) and an admission by Martin of, in essence, an assault. Not sure it's a trial by media when you've conceded your own guilt.

Not sure the AFL can override penalties for assault, which could result in jail time. Martin can consider himself lucky she didn't take it further.

Martin gets very, very well paid to play footy, more than many professionals, and live out every kid's dream. The trade off is that he simply has to not behave like a knob in public. He doesn't have to act like a role model, but he is in the public eye and has a profile like it or not. If he doesn't like what professional footy requires, he can go play in the parklands.

All Dusty has admitted to is being drunk.

[woodublieve12]

He apologised for his actions. He's admitted guilt.

Needs to be penalised!

[woodublieve12]

Whats happening with those rape allegations against the hawks players?

I guess they are being handled by the right authorities as Martin's case should be, not trial by media as Martins case currently is.
Where do the AFL and its clubs get off thinking they can over ride the law and subject its employees to far greater penalties than society in general sees fit.
Martin plays football because he is pretty good at it, doesnt mean he has to also choose to be a role model

They are hawk players, probably be swept under the rug.

[Magellan]

Not so sure LMcQ. According to The Age:

On Monday, a contrite Martin called the female customer and apologised to her for his behaviour.

A club spokesman said that Martin's behaviour was clearly unacceptable, that he had apologised to the woman in question as well as to the managers and owners of the restaurant.

"He had been drinking and was clearly disruptive to other diners and a female patron," the spokesman confirmed.

"He has subsequently called her and apologised and that apology has been accepted. His behaviour was not good enough."

Martin said in a statement released by the club late on Monday afternoon: "Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that, in itself, is completely unacceptable.

"I do, however, take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.

"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate."[/i]

Yes, Martin expressly admits to being drunk. But by apologizing for his behavior, both publicly and personally, then he also admits to his conduct which includes to the verbal and physical threats that followed.

[Lightning McQueen]

Not so sure LMcQ. According to The Age:

On Monday, a contrite Martin called the female customer and apologised to her for his behaviour.

A club spokesman said that Martin's behaviour was clearly unacceptable, that he had apologised to the woman in question as well as to the managers and owners of the restaurant.

"He had been drinking and was clearly disruptive to other diners and a female patron," the spokesman confirmed.

"He has subsequently called her and apologised and that apology has been accepted. His behaviour was not good enough."

Martin said in a statement released by the club late on Monday afternoon: "Regrettably, I was intoxicated and that, in itself, is completely unacceptable.

"I do, however, take responsibility for my behaviour and I am deeply embarrassed.

"If anything I have said or done has caused anyone to feel threatened, then that is totally inappropriate."[/i]

Yes, Martin expressly admits to being drunk. But by apologizing for his behavior, both publicly and personally, then he also admits to his conduct which includes to the verbal and physical threats that followed.

Read it how you like mate, the media likes to generalise and I'm not sold.

[Magellan]

Sure, but I'm not sure what's in dispute. The facts (drunkenness and assault) were alleged by the woman in question. Martin and the club didn't rebut them. He apologized almost immediately. If there was doubt about her story, then it follows that he wouldn't have confessed. I don't think the media's confected anything here.

I do agree the media likes to generalise and sensationalise things re: footy players. If it were anyone else, like you or me, then we wouldn't know about it. But he's a public figure (rightly or wrongly). He ought to be more circumspect.

Righto, I'm done. That's enough Dustin Martin analysis for me for this year and the next.

[The Bedge]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

[Lightning McQueen]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

Pretty much how I see it, it's a win/win for anyone in the general public when they see an AFL player with a few under his belt.

[Dogwatcher]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

I think that Freo supporter should've handled herself better as well.
People who speak to others in a public place deserve what they get.

[Lightning McQueen]

Whats happening with those rape allegations against the hawks players?

I guess they are being handled by the right authorities as Martin's case should be, not trial by media as Martins case currently is.
Where do the AFL and its clubs get off thinking they can over ride the law and subject its employees to far greater penalties than society in general sees fit.
Martin plays football because he is pretty good at it, doesnt mean he has to also choose to be a role model

Another straight bat from Days telling it how it is, you're somewhat controversial at times but I respect your views.

[Lightning McQueen]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

I think that Freo supporter should've handled herself better as well.
People who speak to others in a public place deserve what they get.

Hardly a comparison IMO.

[woodublieve12]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

SO since he didn't touch her, it's ok?

Unbelievable

[woodublieve12]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

I think that Freo supporter should've handled herself better as well.
People who speak to others in a public place deserve what they get.

Unsure if you are being serious or not DW!

[Booney]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

Yes, yes, that lady must have stood over the bloke with the neck ink, shit haircut, chiseled physique and really intimidated him. You're spot on mate, he must have really feared for his safety. I hope he's ok.

Now, as for violence, violence against women, at least we know it's ok if it's justified.

[Booney]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

I think that Freo supporter should've handled herself better as well.
People who speak to others in a public place deserve what they get.

Unsure if you are being serious or not DW!

Not.

[Booney]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

SO since he didn't touch her, it's ok?

Unbelievable

It is, but isn't.

[Lightning McQueen]

Maybe Martin responded threateningly because he himself felt threatened at the time by the lady?
Maybe he stood up over her, because she decided to stand over him in the first instance as he say there?
Maybe he threatened to stab her in the face with chopsticks because she baited him asking what he was gonna do?

Meh I think she put herself in that position, she should've dealt with the situation better i.e. go to the manager or bar staff or even one of his mates, but instead she decided to be the hero who spotted an AFL footy player and thought she would jump on her high horse - when that didn't work she ran all the way to the news to get her 5 minutes of fame.

He didn't touch her, move on.

SO since he didn't touch her, it's ok?

Unbelievable

It is, but isn't.

Yeah nah.