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Footy Smart wrote:Hartlett, Jonas, Westoff, Lobbe, Monfries, Boradbent (although he did get rested for a game)

Hamish IMO cruises, doesnt play to his potential, to busy bumping and punching blokes in the ribs..... let your footy do the talking Hamish!!!
Jonas, breakout last year, from what ive seen beaten regulalry this year.
Westoff...... Lost, one good game this year maybe? I know he fills that second ruck but when ryder is back id consider trying to get him some form
Lobbe, been beaten alot, isnt doing enough round the ground. Apart from monstering Sauce he is below his best.
Monfries, trying to play the negating FWD but still has to hit the scoreboard like he has the ability to. his blokes still gettting the ball
Broadbent, never seen a highly skilful player kick so poorly .

Not saying you drop them all, and undertsand injuries play a part etc etc but saying their performances warrant a spell to find some form..... They seem to get the benefit of the doubt at selection, while blokes like young moore stewert are one game in one game out

Hartlett - Agreed, he needs to focus more on the footy and let his ample frame do any damage in the act of winning the ball, not by any tests of strength he enters into. I think he is also playing more midfield as opposed to half back / midfield and doesn't get to be the player roaming from defence like he did last year. Fair assessment.

Jonas - Disagree, he's playing more of a lock down role this year and Hombsch is playing more attacking meaning Jonas is left more one out as opposed to last year the third man up. As such he's more of a defender and is probably losing the one on ones that last year he was crashing into to spoil. Reasonable assessment...with a couple of caveats.

Westhoff - Frustrating much!?!? Of the limited game time Lobbe and Ryder have had together it's been Westhoff who has looked the most lost. Having said that, against West coast and Melbourne he was the catalyst by changing up the ruck set up to be a more mobile big man. I don't think he's on the chopping block just yet. Reasonable assessment.

Lobbe - The most under pressure ( as noted in my round 12 preview ) as he has really not offered much around the ground this year. Ryder and Westhoff are both mobile, take marks, hit the score board. Lobbe has to do more around the ground in the air, he follows up well and ground level but the best big men in the game take 3-4 marks a game a kick 15-20 goals a year. Lobbes is under pressure. I agree.

Monfries - Had a ripper in his 200th in Alice Springs, needs to be, I agree, more attacking than a negating forward but....every side needs a player in the F50 who locks down on the attacking defender, why? I don't know, but it's his role. It's either him, Gray or Wingard, who would you get to do it? Reasonable assessment but I imagine the coaching staff are happy with the role he is playing. I'd like to see him be a 40 goal a year forward though and not 20-30 with lots of tackles. I think the club saw Neade as the defensive forward but he has struggled to Gus plays the role.

Broadbent - I think he's had some driver/groin issues and has not been 100% fit, if he has been then it's simply a matter of increased attention. Last year it was probably Hartlett copping the defensive forwards attention ( as noted with Monfries above ) and this year it has been Broadbent. I agree, he has been poor with his execution to date. Reasonable assessment.

While I think you're on the money in the main I don't think any of them are at the "Golden ticket" stage just yet.

We're 5-6 and not all hope is lost.

If Lobbe has an average game this weekend, and surely his spot will come under some serious scrutiny, with Ryder due back after the bye.

A ruckman that lays tackles but is low on marks and low on hit-outs to advantage, is surely a liability to any football team.

Agree with Boon's assessment. Probably harsh on Monfries, but the rest are spot on.

Booney wrote:

Footy Smart wrote:Hartlett, Jonas, Westoff, Lobbe, Monfries, Boradbent (although he did get rested for a game)

Hamish IMO cruises, doesnt play to his potential, to busy bumping and punching blokes in the ribs..... let your footy do the talking Hamish!!!
Jonas, breakout last year, from what ive seen beaten regulalry this year.
Westoff...... Lost, one good game this year maybe? I know he fills that second ruck but when ryder is back id consider trying to get him some form
Lobbe, been beaten alot, isnt doing enough round the ground. Apart from monstering Sauce he is below his best.
Monfries, trying to play the negating FWD but still has to hit the scoreboard like he has the ability to. his blokes still gettting the ball
Broadbent, never seen a highly skilful player kick so poorly .

Not saying you drop them all, and undertsand injuries play a part etc etc but saying their performances warrant a spell to find some form..... They seem to get the benefit of the doubt at selection, while blokes like young moore stewert are one game in one game out

Hartlett - Agreed, he needs to focus more on the footy and let his ample frame do any damage in the act of winning the ball, not by any tests of strength he enters into. I think he is also playing more midfield as opposed to half back / midfield and doesn't get to be the player roaming from defence like he did last year. Fair assessment.

Jonas - Disagree, he's playing more of a lock down role this year and Hombsch is playing more attacking meaning Jonas is left more one out as opposed to last year the third man up. As such he's more of a defender and is probably losing the one on ones that last year he was crashing into to spoil. Reasonable assessment...with a couple of caveats.

Westhoff - Frustrating much!?!? Of the limited game time Lobbe and Ryder have had together it's been Westhoff who has looked the most lost. Having said that, against West coast and Melbourne he was the catalyst by changing up the ruck set up to be a more mobile big man. I don't think he's on the chopping block just yet. Reasonable assessment.

Lobbe - The most under pressure ( as noted in my round 12 preview ) as he has really not offered much around the ground this year. Ryder and Westhoff are both mobile, take marks, hit the score board. Lobbe has to do more around the ground in the air, he follows up well and ground level but the best big men in the game take 3-4 marks a game a kick 15-20 goals a year. Lobbes is under pressure. I agree.

Monfries - Had a ripper in his 200th in Alice Springs, needs to be, I agree, more attacking than a negating forward but....every side needs a player in the F50 who locks down on the attacking defender, why? I don't know, but it's his role. It's either him, Gray or Wingard, who would you get to do it? Reasonable assessment but I imagine the coaching staff are happy with the role he is playing. I'd like to see him be a 40 goal a year forward though and not 20-30 with lots of tackles. I think the club saw Neade as the defensive forward but he has struggled to Gus plays the role.

Broadbent - I think he's had some driver/groin issues and has not been 100% fit, if he has been then it's simply a matter of increased attention. Last year it was probably Hartlett copping the defensive forwards attention ( as noted with Monfries above ) and this year it has been Broadbent. I agree, he has been poor with his execution to date. Reasonable assessment.

While I think you're on the money in the main I don't think any of them are at the "Golden ticket" stage just yet.

We're 5-6 and not all hope is lost.

All good assessments. Just its at that stage really where a line in the sand needs to be drawn, if that means dropping a bloke who you consider one of your top liners, then that can put the cat amongst the pigeons and get them moving.

As you said 5-6 all is not lost but, geez its getting harder and harder and just appears that the 20-26 best blokes are the ones in and out, while others whos output is below their ability arent feeling that heat.

valleys07 wrote:If Lobbe has an average game this weekend, and surely his spot will come under some serious scrutiny, with Ryder due back after the bye.

A ruckman that lays tackles but is low on marks and low on hit-outs to advantage, is surely a liability to any football team.

Agree with Boon's assessment. Probably harsh on Monfries, but the rest are spot on.

Agreed, one of at least a dozen playing under par.

Wines, Hombsch and Carlisle are the only 3 who stand out for me, Ebert's been more than useful, Gray and Wingard at times but can go missing.

Is it just me, or does Gray seem to be trying to do too much when he gets the footy?

Yes, he's great at creating space, but at times I feel like he is trying to be too creative, where as last year he seemed to be taking quicker options & creating space that way as well. At times I felt he's been caught in tackles due to the extra time taken.
This year it looks like he's trying to be spectacular, where as last year, his play just looked so natural.
I dare say that the lack of run from those around him has also contributed to this.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

valleys07 wrote:If Lobbe has an average game this weekend, and surely his spot will come under some serious scrutiny, with Ryder due back after the bye.

A ruckman that lays tackles but is low on marks and low on hit-outs to advantage, is surely a liability to any football team.

Agree with Boon's assessment. Probably harsh on Monfries, but the rest are spot on.

Agreed, one of at least a dozen playing under par.

Wines, Hombsch and Carlisle are the only 3 who stand out for me, Ebert's been more than useful, Gray and Wingard at times but can go missing.

Wines has frustrated me at times this year. Wins enough cod, but is just mindlessly throwing it on the boot to waiting zones. Last friday night brought it to a head, as it seemed as though every touch of his was a turnover.

I would love him to win the contested footy along with Moore, Ah Chee, Boak and release to our runners by hand, thus creating space, or at least clear possession.

I was at the crows/hawks game last night, and I was seated in the 3rd tier on the eastern side. Unlike my weekly position at Port games, I got a really good look at the play unfolding.

Hawthorn have two points of difference that stands out above all others. Patience and execution.

The crows were applying some very good defensive structures, but Hawthorn found a white jumper at almost every stoppage, or every forward entry. They had the likes of Mitchell and Lewis winning the contested footy where a Smith, Hill, Duryea, Suckling would be perfectly positioned for the uncontested recieve, and from there they would cut through the zone with ridiculous ease, or if Adelaide's press was well positioned, they would employ a series of switches and short passes and punished the one crows defender who eventually made an error.

Port and the Crows are serial offenders when it comes to wasting the footy under pressure, or perceived pressure.

Seriously- its not hard for team mates to tell you that you have a couple of meters, and it only takes 1 teammate to make enough space to take a mark where the game is under your control- the opposition can't do much when they don't have the ball. From there patience and good skills are all that is required to get scores on the board.

What also sets Hawthorn apart from others is they are offensively predictable to themselves. They rarely move the footy backwards, its either a switch across ground to go down the line, or its a switch across the ground only to cut through the corridor or go through the corridor and out the other side from which they came. It only needs to throw one defender out when tracking his man as well as the movement of the footy to open up enough space for a forward 50 entry, mark and potential shot on goal.

Both Adelaide teams need to get much better in these areas imo.

Im actually a bit worried by this week's game.

GWW wrote:Im actually a bit worried by this week's game.

So you should be. At least we've dropped a few who simply are just not up to it.

I like the inclusion of Trengrove and Moore.

Time for all Port people and the Media to realise that Port Adelaide is just not that good, they have been found out and wanting. Your season is over now go away!!!

You're clearly right FOURTH ESTATE, and I accept that you being a Richmond and Glenelg supporter, you'd be eminently qualified to make that judgement.

GWW wrote:You're clearly right FOURTH ESTATE, and I accept that you being a Richmond and Glenelg supporter, you'd be eminently qualified to make that judgement.

Don't forget about Broadview who also tend to play one good game a month. Granted that was today

GWW wrote:You're clearly right FOURTH ESTATE, and I accept that you being a Richmond and Glenelg supporter, you'd be eminently qualified to make that judgement.

I'd have thought richmond's season was far from over

kneedeepinthehoopla wrote:

GWW wrote:You're clearly right FOURTH ESTATE, and I accept that you being a Richmond and Glenelg supporter, you'd be eminently qualified to make that judgement.

I'd have thought richmond's season was far from over

Should make the 8 but not sure they are good enough to win a final, they are in that bunch of 4 or 5 that a are a few notches off the top sides

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kneedeepinthehoopla wrote:

GWW wrote:You're clearly right FOURTH ESTATE, and I accept that you being a Richmond and Glenelg supporter, you'd be eminently qualified to make that judgement.

I'd have thought richmond's season was far from over

Not yet. Give it time. History suggests they'll finish 9th or make just make finals and capitulate immediately.

On form were the worst in the comp.

Gold Coast have a list of Injury's as long as your arm and Essendon are irrelevant that just leaves us. Disgrace

GWW wrote:You're clearly right FOURTH ESTATE, and I accept that you being a Richmond and Glenelg supporter, you'd be eminently qualified to make that judgement.

That's right, only those whose teams have never choked/sucked/crumbled are allowed to comment on other teams.
Highly amusing how posters deflect to other posters' teams when responding to a dig.
I promise I won't bring up pea hearts Carey

Just read that Jay Schultz wife was taken to hospital today and Jay found out two hours before the game started. Would have been a major reason he didn't look interested today.

**** I'm shocked the bloke even played....

FOURTH ESTATE wrote:Time for all Port people and the Media to realise that Port Adelaide is just not that good, they have been found out and wanting. Your season is over now go away!!!

When you have people like Rucci writing biased BS stories about Port in the Adelaide media ....We don't have a choice