by Bigshow82 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:07 am
by nuggety goodness » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:25 am
by Trader » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:26 am
by Mr Beefy » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:26 am
by Rik E Boy » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:28 am
by Bigshow82 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:30 am
by Bigshow82 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:32 am
Mr Beefy wrote:Geelong wont play collingwood, carlton, essendon, or hawthorn at cat park due to ground capacity - we'd rather play them at the 'g'
by Baron Greenback » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:33 pm
Rik E Boy wrote:The AFL draw has nothing to do with being fair, but everything about being profitable. Always was and always will be. While BigShow's idea has merit, it'll never get off the ground.
I'm still stewing about the fact that Geelong will get ONE game at Cat Park in the first ten rounds next year. They clearly don't want us in the top four again.
regards,
REB
by D14 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 2:01 pm
by Rik E Boy » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:31 pm
Baron Greenback wrote:Rik E Boy wrote:The AFL draw has nothing to do with being fair, but everything about being profitable. Always was and always will be. While BigShow's idea has merit, it'll never get off the ground.
I'm still stewing about the fact that Geelong will get ONE game at Cat Park in the first ten rounds next year. They clearly don't want us in the top four again.
regards,
REB
Noone does!
by whufc » Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:20 pm
by Mr66 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:24 pm
whufc wrote:Until the draw becomes even with each team playing another in a home and away fixture the AFL will continue to be a mickey mouse competition.
by whufc » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:17 pm
Mr66 wrote:whufc wrote:Until the draw becomes even with each team playing another in a home and away fixture the AFL will continue to be a mickey mouse competition.
Impossible
That will mean a 32/34 game season.
HALF a year. The human body wasn't designed to play
physical, running games such as Australian football for this long.
If you went to this format, you would not only shorten careers,
but lives as well.
As for the 'mickey mouse' aspect, some NFL teams don't play
each other for 4 years at least. I don't think you can sensibly
call the National Football League that, whatever your opinion
is of american football.
by Hondo » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:32 pm
whufc wrote:Absolutly ridiculous to have a competition where teams have an advantage before the ball has been bounced because they get to play some teams more than others.
My question to you is
Why does any team deserve an advantage with the draw over any other side?
by whufc » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:37 pm
Hondo wrote:whufc wrote:Absolutly ridiculous to have a competition where teams have an advantage before the ball has been bounced because they get to play some teams more than others.
My question to you is
Why does any team deserve an advantage with the draw over any other side?
Are you an EPL fan? I believe 22 games each is enough to settle a top 8. Often the top 8 is mostly settled by the mid season because you don't need a utopian perfect home & away season of 350 weeks to find out which teams are better than the rest. I doubt the top 8 would change much if you played another 14 rounds.
"absolutely ridiculous" and "mickey mouse" are a bit extreme! Geez, the SANFL up to 1990 was ridiculous and mickey mouse by your definition as each team played 4 teams 3 times and the others 2 times. Even to this day they play 3 times each but 2 away and 1 at home so it's still not utopian fair as you would see it.
Any comp that plays perfect home and away only does it because it has lots of time to play the games or they are lucky enough to have the right amount of teams to fit the schedule.
by Hondo » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:42 pm
by Hondo » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:49 pm
whufc wrote:I have the same opinion about the SANFL who probably could go to a 16 match season.
by whufc » Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:56 pm
Hondo wrote:You don't need perfect home & away to settle a top 8 and even if it might have been 2 teams in and 2 out under a utopian perfect draw the top 4 would be identical and they would be the 4 teams left in the last 2 weeks of finals. You'd be playing these extra games for no real benefit. It's 22 rounds to get us to finals and then 8 teams go from there. If you aren't good enough to be there you'll be found out pretty quick.
EPL is completely different as it doesn't have finals so everything depends on the home & away schedule so then there's more imperitive to make it "fair". Many Aussie rules fans could argue it's ridiculous not to test players/teams under finals pressure to work out the premier team.
by Mr66 » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:50 pm
whufc wrote:Mr66 wrote:whufc wrote:Until the draw becomes even with each team playing another in a home and away fixture the AFL will continue to be a mickey mouse competition.
Impossible
That will mean a 32/34 game season.
HALF a year. The human body wasn't designed to play
physical, running games such as Australian football for this long.
If you went to this format, you would not only shorten careers,
but lives as well.
As for the 'mickey mouse' aspect, some NFL teams don't play
each other for 4 years at least. I don't think you can sensibly
call the National Football League that, whatever your opinion
is of american football.
Absolutly ridiculous to have a competition where teams have an advantage before the ball has been bounced because they get to play some teams more than others.
My question to you is
Why does any team deserve an advantage with the draw over any other side?
by whufc » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:55 pm
Mr66 wrote:whufc wrote:Mr66 wrote:whufc wrote:Until the draw becomes even with each team playing another in a home and away fixture the AFL will continue to be a mickey mouse competition.
Impossible
That will mean a 32/34 game season.
HALF a year. The human body wasn't designed to play
physical, running games such as Australian football for this long.
If you went to this format, you would not only shorten careers,
but lives as well.
As for the 'mickey mouse' aspect, some NFL teams don't play
each other for 4 years at least. I don't think you can sensibly
call the National Football League that, whatever your opinion
is of american football.
Absolutly ridiculous to have a competition where teams have an advantage before the ball has been bounced because they get to play some teams more than others.
My question to you is
Why does any team deserve an advantage with the draw over any other side?
No team does.
Just because I think it is ridiculous to have a 30+ round football season , don't think for
one moment that I agree with the way the AFL schedules its fixtures.
My solution to a fair 18 team fixture is to have teams in groups of 6.
Teams would be placed according to their 2010 final placings.
Teams finishing in positions three places apart would play each other twice
eg Teams 1-4-7-10-13-16 would be in one group, 2-5-8-11-14-17 in another
and 3-6-9-12-15-18 would the final group. (and NO separate ladders or, god forbid, conferences!)
You would play the teams in your group twice (10 games) and play the other teams once (12 games) Voila! 22 games against other teams EVENLY spread over best and worst.
This, of course, would mean that if the 'big' teams didn't end up in the same group, then they wouldn't play each other twice.
So, if this means only one Adelaide/Port match, one WC/Fremantle game, on Collingwood/Essendon game etc.. then tough.
But this, of course, would never get off the ground as the AFL would never think of a fair or even draw.
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