SA Footy

I've noticed something interesting about Freo players who have also played for other clubs as well......they've all played substantially better footy for the other club(s), than they have with the Dockers.

Examples:

1) Des Headland

2) Peter Bell

3) Adam McPhee

4) Brodie Holland

5) Troy Simmons

6) Josh Carr

I think this is a bit on an indictment on the Fremantle Football Club and the way they develop their players!!

Think that Headland proved in '02 that he's a great player in a great side. Anything less than a great side and the jury is well and truly out which is a disappointment for the No.1 overall draft pick in '98. Ironically, the No.2 pick in that draft was Justin Longmuir and I think he's been a disappointment as well.
They had Peter Bell in the first place, didn't think he was good enough, shipped him off then had to pay megabucks to get him back.
Think they gave up on McPhee and Holland far too early but whether they would have reached the levels they have if they stayed at Fremantle is debatle.

Of course there are others as well including

James Clement
Winston Abraham
Spider Burton
Leigh Brown
Trent Croad (yes was at Hawthorn first but almost fell off the radar in his two seasons in Perth)

More I think about it, I think the Dockers actually were going alright under Gerard Neesham and given that they were a new side with few concessions under his rein, I think even four years probably wasn't enough.

Fremantle to me is like the St. Kilda of the interstate club. They are just happy to be there. the club has no culture except for a laid back one. The club hasn't even been a success, they haven;t made the eight once to see a final series. I don't see them making the finals until they get a coach who has an idea on how to coach.

Daniel Hargraves

GWW wrote:DOCKER'S PLAYERS WHO PLAYED BETTER FOOTY AT OTHER CLUBS!

This book would be longer than War & Peace?

Wedgie wrote:Daniel Hargraves

Heath Younie
Steven Koops
Craig Burrows

Punk Rooster wrote:

Wedgie wrote:Daniel Hargraves

Heath Younie
Steven Koops
Craig Burrows

Martin Whitelaw

Jarrad Schofield - but he was already past it by the time he went to Freo.

Makes their decision to give him a two year deal even more puzzling.

Can we put Andrew McLeod on the list?

Even though he was never a Docker, he should have been.

One in the opposite direction:

Craig Burroughs!

Magpiespower wrote:Jarrad Schofield - but he was already past it by the time he went to Freo.

Makes their decision to give him a two year deal even more puzzling.

Can we put Andrew McLeod on the list?

Even though he was never a Docker, he should have been.

Supposedly the reason Schofield went there was because Port was only going to give him 1 year which was smart on Port's part.
I have to clean about McLeod, despite praising Neesham up, it was because of him that McLeod didn't end up there. Chris Groom will get to live out the rest of his days as an answer to a trivia question

ORDoubleBlues wrote:Think that Headland proved in '02 that he's a great player in a great side. Anything less than a great side and the jury is well and truly out which is a disappointment for the No.1 overall draft pick in '98. Ironically, the No.2 pick in that draft was Justin Longmuir and I think he's been a disappointment as well.
They had Peter Bell in the first place, didn't think he was good enough, shipped him off then had to pay megabucks to get him back.
Think they gave up on McPhee and Holland far too early but whether they would have reached the levels they have if they stayed at Fremantle is debatle.

Of course there are others as well including

James Clement
Winston Abraham
Spider Burton
Leigh Brown
Trent Croad (yes was at Hawthorn first but almost fell off the radar in his two seasons in Perth)

More I think about it, I think the Dockers actually were going alright under Gerard Neesham and given that they were a new side with few concessions under his rein, I think even four years probably wasn't enough.

Yes i forgot about Clement, hes a classic example, went from a fringe defender to one of the best defenders in the league when he went to Collingwood. I think Croad started to go downhill in his last couple of years at the Hawkes, but hes turned into a better player once returning to the Hawkes from Freo though. And yes Spider Burton, i did think of him but neglected to include him in my list, became a cult figure at the Kangaroos.

Wedgie wrote:One in the opposite direction:

Craig Burroughs!

read my post again

Punk Rooster wrote:

Wedgie wrote:One in the opposite direction:

Craig Burroughs!

read my post again

Doesn't help, still too small for me to read especially after a day on the piss!

Hasn't Bell won a couple of B&F's at freo and I don't believe that he won a B&F at North's, so does that make him a better player at the Dockers?????.

What about Modra, he was definitely a better player at the Crows,

My opinion Winston Abraham, Spider Burton, Leigh Brown, Scotty Chisom ARE just duds full stop, no matter what club they played for

Heath Black was probably a marginal better player at the Saints while Josh Carr and Scofield were definitely better players at the Power.... and Jess Sinclair has definitely been a better player for the Roos

I also have no doubt that if players like Medhurst and Schammer found their way to new clubs they will be better footballers in a new environment

sydney-dog wrote:I also have no doubt that if players like Medhurst and Schammer found their way to new clubs they will be better footballers in a new environment

Would love to see a career breakdown of stats for Medhurst's games that are.......

(a) At Subiaco
(b) Away from Subiaco

I'm tipping there would be a massive variance, even more so than most players.

sydney-dog wrote:Hasn't Bell won a couple of B&F's at freo and I don't believe that he won a B&F at North's, so does that make him a better player at the Dockers?????.

What about Modra, he was definitely a better player at the Crows,

My opinion Winston Abraham, Spider Burton, Leigh Brown, Scotty Chisom ARE just duds full stop, no matter what club they played for

Heath Black was probably a marginal better player at the Saints while Josh Carr and Scofield were definitely better players at the Power.... and Jess Sinclair has definitely been a better player for the Roos

I also have no doubt that if players like Medhurst and Schammer found their way to new clubs they will be better footballers in a new environment

Bell is only better at the Dockers second time around having spent his years with the Kangaroos. And competing against guys like Carey, Sholl, Stevens etc etc would be a fairly hard exercise to win a BF with the Roos.

Modra not considered as he played in his prime years at the Crows and only towards the end of his career at the Dockers.

As a Port supporter, its great that Schammer is struggling with the Dockers at the moment. He could become trade bait for a possible return to SA. However, in saying that i believe Byron is reluctant to play for Port if he returns to SA, so therefore is more likely that the Dockers would work a trade with the Crows. Schammer for Van Berlo (with draft picks probably involved) seems like a reasonable trade i would have thought.

GWW wrote:As a Port supporter, its great that Schammer is struggling with the Dockers at the moment. He could become trade bait for a possible return to SA. However, in saying that i believe Byron is reluctant to play for Port if he returns to SA, so therefore is more likely that the Dockers would work a trade with the Crows. Schammer for Van Berlo (with draft picks probably involved) seems like a reasonable trade i would have thought.

Yes that is a likely scenario and don't think it's any great secret that if the Dockers bomb this year and (if he stays) next year that Pavlich will be back here as well.

GWW

I can tell you that their is no way in hell the crows will give up Van Berlo for Schammer, the crows rate Van Berlo very very highly and secondly Freo refused to discuss a possible Schammer trade last year

I would not be suprised in the next few years a couple of SA - WA based players come up for trade options, including Schammer, Bea Waters, Sam Butler and Hurn, personally I would only consider these players if they are regular players and are still under the age of 23

sydney-dog wrote:GWW

I can tell you that their is no way in hell the crows will give up Van Berlo for Schammer, the crows rate Van Berlo very very highly and secondly Freo refused to discuss a possible Schammer trade last year

I would not be suprised in the next few years a couple of SA - WA based players come up for trade options, including Schammer, Bea Waters, Sam Butler and Hurn, personally I would only consider these players if they are regular players and are still under the age of 23

Yes, i agree with you but with Schammer's form this year, the Docker's may have gone off him a bit. If the Crows weren't prepared to let someone like Van Berlo (or maybe Perrie) go, then it could benefit Port who might be prepared to let Cassisi (or White, or both) go in a direct swap.

Of those WA based SA born players you mentioned i'm sure all will feature in trade talks at the end of this season. I think the Crows and Port would both love Waters, although off field/discipline factors may lessen their interest him. I believe Butler has been burning in the WAFL, so he could actually be in high demand as well.

One thing is certain, this season's trade period, with its build up to the "super draft", will be very interesting!!

GWW wrote:One thing is certain, this season's trade period, with its build up to the "super draft" will be very interesting!!

Absolutely!