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why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:58 pm
by whufc
i know its been happening for a lonf time BUT what is the logic reason in players going straight to the interchange bench after kicking a goal. every club is doing it almost after every single goal.

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:25 pm
by mighty_tiger_79
the other question is why are certain clubs complaining about a cap on interchanges whilst other clubs couldnt care less

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:32 pm
by RoosterMarty
It might be because after kicking a goal their adrenaline is pumping causing them to burn energy quicker. But I'm not 100% on that one.

Not something I'm a fan of, you should at least keep them out there for the next centre bounce.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:35 pm
by spell_check
I remember when it was something out of the ordinary. It wan't that long ago, now it's every two out of three goals. :roll:

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:36 pm
by bloods08
They might do something stupid and kick another goal.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:49 pm
by mighty_tiger_79
it is ridiculous if a player is having a bad day at the office and kicks a goal it might just provide enough encouragement for them to think the wheel is turning for them, but to them have them taken off the ground must be dis-heartening......

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:00 pm
by Hondo
If you actually counted how many times they came off after a goal v how many times they didn't I think you'd find that it's not automatic after a goal. I think it's just coincidence and it's more that they interchange so frequently that it's moe likely to happen after a goal. At last year's final Crows v Essendon we were sitting up from the Crows interchange area and I was amazed how often they come on and off.

They have an assistant coach nowadays who's sole responsibility is the rotations and they make sure I presume everyone has a break after their short burst on the field. The rotations guys does it independently of the coach to some extent which surprised me but then the coach said if he did the rotations himself he'd have no time to do anything else and he'd miss the game :shock:

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:08 pm
by spell_check
It's great isn't it?

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:10 pm
by FlyingHigh
A couple of reasons could be:
With rotations and plays and so forth, that maybe at times the goal-kicker is the "specified" play-maker/goal kicker for that few minutes who has to work his arse off for those few minutes, and then needs a rest. His team-mates know, but is used to try to catch the opposition by surprise. I know our game doesn't allow for such specified "set-plays", but this is just an idea.
Perhaps it is done to upset the defender. He's used to a player playing in one way, has a goal kicked on him, and then instead of clamping down, has to face a different player with a different style.

Don't know about these though, because as a defender, nothing made me more anxious or doubting myself than have a couple of quick goals kicked on me by the same player.

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:21 pm
by am Bays
whufc wrote:i know its been happening for a lonf time BUT what is the logic reason in players going straight to the interchange bench after kicking a goal. every club is doing it almost after every single goal.


Basically with the introduction of the GPS units the Sports Scientists with every club know that the players can go flat out in their E4 HR zone for roughly 3-5 mins, which averages out at an interchange every 4 mins. So basically the players are told to interchange at the nearest appropropirate stoppage/break in play every 4 mins.

So they go flat out at an average of 20 km an hr (elite marathon pace) for four mins, a goal is scored so with 40s minimum break between a goal being scored and the ball up to fit in the ads (average 46s according to Anderson) a goal being scored is the best opportunity to do the interchange as they ahve 46 secs to speint 100 m (to get off) and then the interchange player can get on and into position before play starts again.

So if clubs are interchanging on average 4 players at the 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24 and 28 min mark thats 28 interchanges a qtr (112 a match). Some clubs like Collingwood and hawthorn like their players to go for 3 mins hence the 140 plus interchanges they get.

So basically players are told to go as hard as they can for 3-5 mins then at the earliest break in play off you come and a goal is the best time for that.

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:39 pm
by dedja
:-B

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:35 pm
by Hondo
Ignore my speculation everyone and refer instead to someone who obviously knows (am bays)

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 11:57 pm
by wooly
What a load of shite. Just rotations and these players have just bobbed up and kicked a goal.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:43 am
by The Dark Knight
whufc wrote:i know its been happening for a lonf time BUT what is the logic reason in players going straight to the interchange bench after kicking a goal. every club is doing it almost after every single goal.

I think it happens because with the little break in play it gives the player who kicked the goal the opportunity to come off for a rest and gives the team to chance to rotate there midfielders/ forwards, or because they were told to go off earlier and they haven't yet had the chance to.

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:40 am
by Psyber
It's time to ban the interchange, except for injury, and support the endurance player rather than the short-term gymnast. ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:27 pm
by spell_check
I found a quote today from 1997 made by Mick Malthouse about the fourth interchange player. He might have been correct back then, but it took about a decade for him to renege:

"Wiser heads should get together and understand that we are not after more players to manipulate the game, but we're after 18 fit players out there not only this week but after week 22"

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:30 pm
by Sojourner
Psyber wrote:It's time to ban the interchange, except for injury, and support the endurance player rather than the short-term gymnast. ;)


Totally agree, the bench is there for injured players, not as a coaching aid. Simply make a rule that if a player comes off then they cant come back on for the rest of the 1/4, which should then return the bench to what it was originally intended for.

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:32 pm
by dedja
Yeah, and bring back lace up guernseys and black shorts ...

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:41 pm
by GWW
and the flick pass :)

Re: why?

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:46 pm
by Punk Rooster
I agree with less interchanges- let's slow the game down.
Let's have tired players making tired decisions, & we might find the natural footballer will get selected ahead of the natural athlete...