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With the discussion taking place of who the Crows could possibly chase, it's perhaps pertinent to get a feeling for who people believe are trade worthy and who is untouchable.

I think the Crows have lacked a real marquee player (apologies for the Americanism) since perhaps Ricciutio, and whilst it's always great in theory to attempt to share the load, it doesn't always work that way and often you need that special player to get you over the line.

With that in mind, and of course assuming a reasonable deal could be struck, I would almost think that Tippett and Dangerfield are the only 2 untouchables at West Lakes, if you want to be really aggressive/active in trade week.

If that list gets extended a little then Bock, McKay and Vince probably get included.

Personal thoughts only, would be interested in others opinions.

CP, couldn't agree more. Dangerfield was the first one that came to mind with Tippett soon after. I wouldn't be too shattered to lose a number of others for the right trade.

In the next bracket I'd have Otten, Vince, Bock, Porps, Knights and Mackay if they can get their bodies right.

i think the only people that are must stays are tippet, walker, dangerfield and petrenko
all are going to be players in a 2 or so years and most have already showed glimpses of what they are capable of. if the crows wish to gain anything of value in the trade they are going to have to throw up something tempting that other sides need.
scott stevens IMO is good trade bate as sides may be lookinf for a versitile and consistent player and i dont think it would leave a huge dent in the crows out fit. one of the crows under achieving ruck man could be worth throwing up, either maric or griffen.

imo the crows need midfielders as there defence is reasonablly solid and there forward line in years to come is going to be very very good

piccachu wrote:if the crows wish to gain anything of value in the trade they are going to have to throw up something tempting that other sides need.

Agreed mate, and that's why I took the philosophy of only 2 players being untouchable ... The next group of players I wouldn't give up for chump change, but you have to offer quality to get quality, so if the right deal came along for say Taylor Walker (example only, you could use most players), the Crows would at least have to look at it I reckon if they are serious about aggressively altering their list.

A player like Scotty Stevens, as serviceable as he's been, wouldn't command much on the market I wouldn't think.

Zorro wrote:CP, couldn't agree more. Dangerfield was the first one that came to mind with Tippett soon after. I wouldn't be too shattered to lose a number of others for the right trade.

In the next bracket I'd have Otten, Vince, Bock, Porps, Knights and Mackay if they can get their bodies right.

You have your 'next bracket' list as all untouchables including Davis (tall defenders are hard to find and he has shown signs that he will develop into a solid defender)

My 'Next bracket' would be Martin, Sloane, Patrenko

The rest you can all put pros and cons next to as far as their worth and development

Douglas could be used as trade bait, although since being thrown into the midflield he has shown some good signs around the clearances

We have 5:

Dangerfield, Tippett, Mackay, Knights, Walker.

After the last few weeks: Rory Sloane!!!

piccachu wrote:i think the only people that are must stays are tippet, walker, dangerfield and petrenko
all are going to be players in a 2 or so years and most have already showed glimpses of what they are capable of. if the crows wish to gain anything of value in the trade they are going to have to throw up something tempting that other sides need.
scott stevens IMO is good trade bate as sides may be lookinf for a versitile and consistent player and i dont think it would leave a huge dent in the crows out fit. one of the crows under achieving ruck man could be worth throwing up, either maric or griffen.

imo the crows need midfielders as there defence is reasonablly solid and there forward line in years to come is going to be very very good

Sorry totally disagree,

This bloke should be the first bloke traded even for draft pick number 748376630.

He is the biggest hack to play more than 10 AFL games, could barely get a kick at SANFL reserves level,

Petrenko = a poor mans Scott Dutschke

OnSong wrote:After the last few weeks: Rory Sloane!!!

Add to that: Phil Davis.

whufc wrote:

piccachu wrote:i think the only people that are must stays are tippet, walker, dangerfield and petrenko
all are going to be players in a 2 or so years and most have already showed glimpses of what they are capable of. if the crows wish to gain anything of value in the trade they are going to have to throw up something tempting that other sides need.
scott stevens IMO is good trade bate as sides may be lookinf for a versitile and consistent player and i dont think it would leave a huge dent in the crows out fit. one of the crows under achieving ruck man could be worth throwing up, either maric or griffen.

imo the crows need midfielders as there defence is reasonablly solid and there forward line in years to come is going to be very very good

Sorry totally disagree,

This bloke should be the first bloke traded even for draft pick number 748376630.

He is the biggest hack to play more than 10 AFL games, could barely get a kick at SANFL reserves level,

Petrenko = a poor mans Scott Dutschke

Get over it.... hes not a centrals player build a bridge, Patrenko has shown some great signs and the majority agree with it.

Dutschke is the hack if anything as he has never played AFL

end of story really

Petrenko has improved but has a little way to go. Can see him making the grade.

OnSong wrote:Petrenko has improved but has a little way to go. Can see him making the grade.

Think eventually they'll try and work him toward a Johncock type role in the back half if he's up to it .. Johncock has very good hands though, so not sure he'll be able to fill those shoes.

Fair call about Phil Davis too ... I wouldn't call Walker untouchable, but it would have to take something pretty special to let him go.

BOLD = untouchable I = close to untouchable

TEAM FROM LAST WEEK

B: Graham Johncock, Ben Rutten, Brad Symes
HB: Michael Doughty, Nathan Bock, Simon Goodwin
C: Rory Sloane, Nathan van Berlo, David Mackay
HF: Jared Petrenko, Taylor Walker, Richard Douglas
F: Patrick Dangerfield, Kurt Tippett, Scott Stevens
Foll: Ivan Maric, Scott Thompson, Brent Reilly
I/C: Jonathon Griffin, Tony Armstrong, Jason Porplyzia, Ricky Henderson


INJURY LIST

Otten
Davis
Martin
Knights
Vince

Sorry totally disagree,

This bloke should be the first bloke traded even for draft pick number 748376630.

He is the biggest hack to play more than 10 AFL games, could barely get a kick at SANFL reserves level,

Petrenko = a poor mans Scott Dutschke

IMO hes been in the crows best half dosen this year is only 20 years old plenty of improvement left in him and can be groomed in to a dashing half back flanker

Footy Smart wrote:BOLD = untouchable I = close to untouchable

TEAM FROM LAST WEEK

B: Graham Johncock, Ben Rutten, Brad Symes
HB: Michael Doughty, Nathan Bock, Simon Goodwin
C: Rory Sloane, Nathan van Berlo, David Mackay
HF: Jared Petrenko, Taylor Walker, Richard Douglas
F: Patrick Dangerfield, Kurt Tippett, Scott Stevens
Foll: Ivan Maric, Scott Thompson, Brent Reilly
I/C: Jonathon Griffin, Tony Armstrong, Jason Porplyzia, Ricky Henderson


INJURY LIST

Otten
Davis
Martin
Knights
Vince

That looks a pretty reasonable assessment FS ... So ok, forgetting the names in bold for the time being, I guess the players that other clubs would have most interest in would include:

Johncock
Rutten
Van Berlo
Douglas
Maric
Thompson
Reilly

???

Not a great deal there to bargain with, meaning if the offers were to come the club might have to check the value of some of those bold listeds?

Johncock- to old and injury concerns
Rutten- some clubs may have some interest in him, whilst being at the crows has he been tested forward
Van Berlo-freo/ west coast are the only sides i can see going for him
Douglas- cant see to many clubs wanting his service
Maric- hawthorne only club i can see showing any interest
Thompson
Reilly- IMO no one would be interested, i think his AFL career has lasted longer than it should have

i think you could get some value for thompson, but thats pretty much were it ends

Am i missing something?

Scotty Thompson is not only the biggest untouchable, but I reckon next years captain.

He is the closest thing we have to an elite midfielder, and assuming McLeod and Birdpooman retire, then he is our only experienced decent player in the 25-30 bracket!

Dangerfield, Tippet, Walker, Mackay are the other keepers.

Best trade bait are Vince, Douglas, Stevens.

The rest are stuck in no-mans land.

Footy Smart wrote:

whufc wrote:

piccachu wrote:i think the only people that are must stays are tippet, walker, dangerfield and petrenko
all are going to be players in a 2 or so years and most have already showed glimpses of what they are capable of. if the crows wish to gain anything of value in the trade they are going to have to throw up something tempting that other sides need.
scott stevens IMO is good trade bate as sides may be lookinf for a versitile and consistent player and i dont think it would leave a huge dent in the crows out fit. one of the crows under achieving ruck man could be worth throwing up, either maric or griffen.

imo the crows need midfielders as there defence is reasonablly solid and there forward line in years to come is going to be very very good

Sorry totally disagree,

This bloke should be the first bloke traded even for draft pick number 748376630.

He is the biggest hack to play more than 10 AFL games, could barely get a kick at SANFL reserves level,

Petrenko = a poor mans Scott Dutschke

Get over it.... hes not a centrals player build a bridge, Patrenko has shown some great signs and the majority agree with it.

Dutschke is the hack if anything as he has never played AFL

end of story really

No wonder the Crows are sitting near the bottom of the ladder if Petrenko is an untouchable, would be lucky to get a game at any other AFL club maybe Richmond he would.

What his been on the Crows list for 2-3 years now and still can't get more than 10 touches a game

Petrenko rarely gets the ball, burns it when he does, can't mark only benefit is he runs all day but thats no good when all your doing is chasing ar5e.

Much much much much much better young footballers at the Crows before him, Davis, Otten, Jaensch, Dangerfield, Walker, McKay, Sloane, Martin, Knights, Vince just to name a few.

Bleak future at the Crows if his the future of the club. I would offer him up for a Ben Nason, Ryan Schoenmakers, Alwyn Davey who have all done more in there short AFL careers than Petrenko has.

Dutschke point is pathetic, Aaron Keating was an absolute gun wasn't he, and Mitch Farmer is playing AFL so he is absolute quality awesome player.

Heres a few stats for Petrenko

His Averaging

11 possesions a game
3 tackles a game (crows have played at least 2 games in real wet conditions where tackles counts were high)
0.5 goals a game
0.3 goal assists a game
0.8 goals contribute to a game
2 inside 50's a game
1 free for
1 free against

Superstar performances that. Also has never had more than 18 possesions in a game in his career.

Please inform me what he adds to the side.

Source
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-a ... d-petrenko

whufc wrote:Heres a few stats for Petrenko

His Averaging

11 possesions a game
3 tackles a game (crows have played at least 2 games in real wet conditions where tackles counts were high)
0.5 goals a game
0.3 goal assists a game
0.8 goals contribute to a game
2 inside 50's a game
1 free for
1 free against

Superstar performances that. Also has never had more than 18 possesions in a game in his career.

Please inform me what he adds to the side.

Source
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-a ... d-petrenko

Gotta love you stats, they mean a heap!

The stats above are floored and meaningless, you need to take into consideration time on ground and position played, he isnt going to be a high possesion footballer.... you sound like you have a personal problem with him whufc?

As i said before BUILD A BRIDGE! His attack on the footy cant be questioned and once he is settled into a spot he will improve even more!


Why hasnt your love child Dutchke been picked up? nothing to offer? not good enough? who knows but the facts are Jarrod will 'develop' into a good footballer for the crows, this is only his first year getting consitant games!