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I expect the Crows to win this week very comfortable.

BUT

If the Crows lose will Craig be sacked by this time next week!

He is safe, AFC have said he is safe and i wouldnt expect Trigg to go against his word. Our squad would not play any better under another coach and why do we need a new coach? This is the first time in his time as coaching we are struggling, he has a 60 odd % win loss ratio!!!!!


FFS he isnt going anywhere why talk about!

Footy Smart wrote:He is safe, AFC have said he is safe and i wouldnt expect Trigg to go against his word. Our squad would not play any better under another coach and why do we need a new coach? This is the first time in his time as coaching we are struggling, he has a 60 odd % win loss ratio!!!!!


FFS he isnt going anywhere why talk about!

Because these people actually know nothing about footy, they think just replacing a coach gets instant results. They dont have any other answers to Adelaide's problems. They dont understand that we havent been getting our hands on the footy, havent been tackling or pressuring the opposition, havent been using the footy well when we do have it and have been shocking in front of goal. No game plan ( which is the most over-used term in football today) is going to make any difference to Adelaide's results as long as we are playing sh!t.

Or the fact that Craig flogs his players every pre season and then wonders why his players are all going down injured, or despite the fact Craig prides himself on having ultra fit football sides the Crows are still getting ran over in last quarters most games.

The style of play he is asking the Crows to play is stale and passionless football which other teams have found very easy to negate. Currently the young guys having to play due to injury don't have the required skill level just yet to pull of him game plan.

Im not an anti Craig person but i get the feeling he has taken this group of players as far as he can.

To say no game plan is the most overrated term in football stinks of a lack of knowledge. Hawthorn won a premiership based on a game plan that no other side could break down. Geelongs game plan is perfect to the players Thompson has at his disposal.

Imho the Crows are currently playing the wrong game plan to the players they have available at the present time.

Bomber Thomson can play any game style he wants, the blokes he has at his disposal are better than anyone else by a long way.

This idea of Craig 'over-working' his players, its a load of cr@p. Are you seriously thinking that other sides dont train hard ? None of us actually know how hard they train.

There is no magic or perfect game plan - its a myth ! Set ups around stoppages can only be tinkered with so much, if your blokes dont win the footy, then there is nothing that any game plan can do to fix that.

Have you coached WHUFC ? Tell us what game plan they should be playing ? Everyone seems to say they are playing the wrong one, but dont know what one they should be playing.

I am speaking from experience, you can have the best laid game plan in the world - if your players cant get hold of the footy, you are stuffed. All AFL game plans will work to some extent if you execute them 100%.

Btw, you werent down Norwood way on Sat morning by any chance ? I saw a 4wd with WHUFC-1 on the plates.

whufc wrote:Or the fact that Craig flogs his players every pre season and then wonders why his players are all going down injured, or despite the fact Craig prides himself on having ultra fit football sides the Crows are still getting ran over in last quarters most games.

The style of play he is asking the Crows to play is stale and passionless football which other teams have found very easy to negate. Currently the young guys having to play due to injury don't have the required skill level just yet to pull of him game plan.

Im not an anti Craig person but i get the feeling he has taken this group of players as far as he can.

To say no game plan is the most overrated term in football stinks of a lack of knowledge. Hawthorn won a premiership based on a game plan that no other side could break down. Geelongs game plan is perfect to the players Thompson has at his disposal.

Imho the Crows are currently playing the wrong game plan to the players they have available at the present time.

You have summed it up.

You have to have the players to play a certain game plan (your reference to Geelong). Unfortunately we don’t have those players on the park atm who can fulfil the game plan. This is not saying that the player won’t be able to in the future (eg davis playing instead of Bock or Otten) and in saying that these players arent playing WELL enough to execute it (form). You can’t change your game plan over night, especially when you have drilled it into the players over a many years and a long pres season.

To say the injuries are a result of hard training is plan stupidity. We have been training the same way for years, half of them are impact injuries and the others are just football injuries (Hamstrings/calves/groines/drivers are all football injuries, was Nick Reiwoldt or Josh Gibson’s injuries the coaches fault? )

What has happened is supporters/media etc etc who are used to the crows being competitive and being on the end of more wins than losses are finding excuses for the current 0-6.... That’s footy, teams have bad form, injuries etc etc

Felch wrote:Bomber Thomson can play any game style he wants, the blokes he has at his disposal are better than anyone else by a long way.

This idea of Craig 'over-working' his players, its a load of cr@p. Are you seriously thinking that other sides dont train hard ? None of us actually know how hard they train.

There is no magic or perfect game plan - its a myth ! Set ups around stoppages can only be tinkered with so much, if your blokes dont win the footy, then there is nothing that any game plan can do to fix that

Have you coached WHUFC ? Tell us what game plan they should be playing ? Everyone seems to say they are playing the wrong one, but dont know what one they should be playing.

I am speaking from experience, you can have the best laid game plan in the world - if your players cant get hold of the footy, you are stuffed. All AFL game plans will work to some extent if you execute them 100%.

Btw, you werent down Norwood way on Sat morning by any chance ? I saw a 4wd with WHUFC-1 on the plates.

How do teams get first use of the football? answer- set ups and structues around stoppages, blocks and screens are key to winning the ball from stoppages.

Your bolded comment absolutely stinks of a lack of knowledge, Port had two less possesions than the Crows yet won, Collingwood had fifty less disposals yet won by over 50 points, Fremantle had 30 less possesion than West Coast yet won easily, Obviously these AFL coaches have found a game plan/structure that enables there team to be competitive if there not winning more of the ball.

The Crows are trying to play highly technical, ultra skillful style of football. They currently have a very young squad who are not as skilled as other AFL teams, one area the crows do have an advantage is pace yets Craigs game plan negates any advantage speed would give them.

The Crows need to play a quick high temp game with the mindframe of getting the ball into the forward 50 of Tippett and Walker as quick as possible, if they can hit Walker on the lead and get the ball to Tippet in one on one contest as much as possible they will be more dangerous.

It wasn't me but i do know the owner of that car.

Getting first use isnt reliant on a good game plan. Good players will find the footy. Dont tell me Ablett and Selwood need a magic plan to get their hands on the footy. A good game plan is reliant on getting first use. Laying blocks and shepherds at stoppages is what good players do, regardless of a set-up. There is only so many ways you can set up at stoppages, there isnt some magical way for them to stand to win the ball. Head over the footy and skill wins the ball. Adelaide are not doing this the majority of the time.

Your comments are naive. The media has created this whole game plan business - im not saying there is no such thing, but any of the 16 clubs plans can work if they have the cattle. And they all dont differ that much.

There is 1 main reason for Adelaide's situation at present - injuries. They are putting as good a team as they can on the park each week, and it isnt doing the job.

You can only push players so far. This article is pretty embarrassing for Neil Craig, "Crows revamp training regime in search of a win":

Winless Adelaide players have insisted coach Neil Craig radically alter his training regime for the rest of the season.

Renowned for being among the league's toughest trainers, Craig has agreed to ditch their customary match-eve training for the remainder of the season.

"The leadership group approached the coaching staff and they worked it out."

The Crows have not won a final term this season, conceding 24 goals and kicking just eight in last quarters.

The training tweak acknowledges something had to give amid Adelaide's worst start to a season, six consecutive losses.

"It's going to be interesting to see how we go about it, but I am sure it will be good for us, to have a lighter day of training before we play ... I'm looking forward to it," Reilly said.

"It can get quite, what is the word, boring - doing to same stuff every week, so it's good to throw in a different program, everyone looks forward to the change."

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/crow ... -u37z.html

Gozu wrote:You can only push players so far. This article is pretty embarrassing for Neil Craig, "Crows revamp training regime in search of a win":

Winless Adelaide players have insisted coach Neil Craig radically alter his training regime for the rest of the season.

Renowned for being among the league's toughest trainers, Craig has agreed to ditch their customary match-eve training for the remainder of the season.

"The leadership group approached the coaching staff and they worked it out."

The Crows have not won a final term this season, conceding 24 goals and kicking just eight in last quarters.

The training tweak acknowledges something had to give amid Adelaide's worst start to a season, six consecutive losses.

"It's going to be interesting to see how we go about it, but I am sure it will be good for us, to have a lighter day of training before we play ... I'm looking forward to it," Reilly said.

"It can get quite, what is the word, boring - doing to same stuff every week, so it's good to throw in a different program, everyone looks forward to the change."

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/crow ... -u37z.html

On the contrary, I think it speaks volumes for the honest and open culture that Neil has fostered at the club. It's great that his senior players feel comfortable approaching him with suggestions and also fantastic that he is willing to take them on board and implement them. I've always been taught that open lines of communication are very important for a positive and constructive workplace.

Of course the media will beat it up as a player revolt, but I'm sure that wasn't the case.

whufc wrote:I expect the Crows to win this week very comfortable.

BUT

If the Crows lose will Craig be sacked by this time next week!

As much as I want him to go, I've got a feeling he's safe and in the clear intil the end of the year at least.

I expect they will want him on board to guide the kids through the next transition in the team once the 4 amigoes retire

This will be the first time we have missed the finals in a full season he has been head coach. Some people have short memories.

However, I think he would walk before the club makes any D because I get the impression he is harder on himself than any of the armchair critics/keyboard warriors out there are!

This time last year, Mark Harvey was the joke of the coaching fraternity after his dismal showing on "On the Couch" and as Freo lost game after game with all these first year players. Now, where is he?

There aren't enough sack NC threads on here so I'm glad we have another one

Lets all come in and repeat what we said on the other thread

Next week someone will start a thread called "surely his time is up" and, bam, we can cut and paste the same comments all over again!

hondo71 wrote:There aren't enough sack NC threads on here so I'm glad we have another one

Lets all come in and repeat what we said on the other thread

Next week someone will start a thread called "surely his time is up" and, bam, we can cut and paste the same comments all over again!

Where did i say he is going to get the sack.

I have asked a serious question, if they were to lose to Richmond (possibly the worse team since the AFL began) and go 0-7 would that be the straw that broke the camels back.

6 of one / half a dozen of another ?

Is Stephen Schwerdt still the fitness coach?? Whoever is, seems to have escpaed a lot of flack. They are struggling big time with pre-season injuries and have for a few years now. Same thing happened to Geelong in 2006. They sacked the fitness coach and the rest is history.

Geelong finished 9-13 in 2001 under Mark Thompson
They also finished 7-1-14 in 2003.

In that time, however, they recruited the likes of Gary Ablett Jnr, Jimmy Bartel, Paul Chapman, Joel Corey, James Kelly and a number of others. They accepted the losses as part of rebuilding toward the greater picture.

If every club that had a slump simply sacked their coach, there would be a lot of them staying near the bottom, as they kept searching for the winning formula.

Adelaide's list is, realistically, in a form of rebuilding. The top line players of the last decade - Simon Goodwin, Andrew McLeod, Tyson Edwards, Brett Burton - all with their best footy well behind them, on a consistent basis at least. A number of players whose careers are just starting out (Myke Cook, Phil Davis, Taylor Walker, Rory Sloane, Shaun McKernan, Will Young, Tony Armstrong). A lot placed on the shoulders of players who, realistically, should not be expected to be turning games every week at this stage of their career - Patrick Dangerfield, David Mackay and possibly even Kurt Tippett). Looking closely and hard over that list, with where all of the squad is at, its probably not a top eight list right now.

Criticisms could be levelled at the club for some recruiting decisions made - or not made, as the case may be. Some midlevel players, who have been there for some time, don't seem to be progressing at the rate that would be hoped for. The training regime is being questioned and there is little doubt that can do with some tinkering - but when compared to other lists NOW and where other clubs were at before they turned the corner, not sure all of this panic is totally justified.

Bum Crack wrote:Is Stephen Schwerdt still the fitness coach?? Whoever is, seems to have escpaed a lot of flack. They are struggling big time with pre-season injuries and have for a few years now. Same thing happened to Geelong in 2006. They sacked the fitness coach and the rest is history.

There were other factors why Loris got sacked, not just fitness.

The Dark Knight wrote:

whufc wrote:I expect the Crows to win this week very comfortable.

BUT

If the Crows lose will Craig be sacked by this time next week!

As much as I want him to go, I've got a feeling he's safe and in the clear intil the end of the year at least.

Why do you want NC to go? Don't you support Port DK?

The Dark Knight wrote:

Mad Mat wrote:

The Dark Knight wrote:

whufc wrote:I expect the Crows to win this week very comfortable.

BUT

If the Crows lose will Craig be sacked by this time next week!

As much as I want him to go, I've got a feeling he's safe and in the clear intil the end of the year at least.

Why do you want NC to go? Don't you support Port DK?

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I can fully understand why you hate Craig DK. You like Mark Williams, who is a sore loser, terrible winner, excuse maker of the highest order - the complete opposite of Craig. Each to their own though...