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I remember when Buckley signed a 1 year contract with Brisbane before finding his way to Collingwood.

Does anyone think there is a chance that Collingwood/Eddy will sign Malthouse for 2 years and - with a wink and a nod - watch Buckley sign as coach at another club for 2 years before he "migrates" across to Collingwood when Malthouse gracefully exits?

I'd think most clubs would want to lock Buckley into a 3 year deal at least at this stage, wary of the inevitable Collingwood factor that is perceived out there. For what its worth, I'd be very surprised if Collingwood parted ways voluntarily with Malthouse at the end of this season. Any decision for them to no longer be associated would be solely at his behest I suspect.

I can't understand what all the hype is surrounding Buckley and possible coaching roles, he hasn't had much of a run as an assistant, he's been known to have stoushes with team-mates and he has seemed arrogant at times and would struggle to gain respect and get the most out of his players.
I think the only place that he could get off to a decent start would be Collingwood.

Lightning McQueen wrote:I can't understand what all the hype is surrounding Buckley and possible coaching roles, he hasn't had much of a run as an assistant, he's been known to have stoushes with team-mates and he has seemed arrogant at times and would struggle to gain respect and get the most out of his players.
I think the only place that he could get off to a decent start would be Collingwood.

The best post of the day ... totally agree.

Just because he was a champion player does not guarantee instant success as a coach ... look at Russell Ebert as an example here.

To pay a reported $800K for someone who may not cut it is a big risk ... yes, there will be initial publicity, membership and maybe sponsorship spin-offs but how long will it last.

You may say what about Michael Voss? Well Voss is a different character to Buckley and there was an agreed succession plan there, whilst I don't think Malthouse is encouraging Buckley to hang around the club at the moment.

If Eddie is so keen for it to happen then it will, but I agree that it is Buckley's best shot is at Collingwood.

I agree with the previous posts. However I think this has gained momentum because of Voss's rise to coaching and the 'success' of the Lions so far. If he'd struggled and the Lions were perceived to be struggling, I don't think anyone would be thinking that Buckley should coach without going thru the normal processes of becoming an assistant first.

Given that all the publicity surrounding the need to go through the assistant role first now diminishing, I can understand clubs looking at Buckley. His persona gives the impression he'd be pretty good at the role - clear communicator, understands how to explain the game to all levels and obviously understands the game itself in the current form.

Regarding the initial post - my mate who is a North supporter doesn't want Buckley using them as a stepping stone on the way to Collingwood. If I were a North supporter I'd sign him up NOW. If you spent $800k a year (which I'm not saying they will) I think they'd bring that money and more into the club in sponsorship and membership.

I think Voss and Buckley are different cause they have both proven themselves to be exceptional Leaders over a number of years.

The Leadership/people management part of a coaching role takes years to learn, while the actual coaching part (tactics etc) can be learnt very quickly.

Thats the reason why he is sought after, this wont happen regularly, its just that Voss/Buckley are exceptional

I hope North sign him and think it may well happen, no way will he go to Richmond

And amidst this, Primus has said he needs another 2 years as an Assistant coach - a very honest appraisal and again - the 2 year timeframe is interesting in itself. Is he saying that if Choco goes at the end of this month, he is ready in 2 years and putting pressure back on to the Power, or is he simply making an honest assessment of himself?

gadj1976 wrote:I agree with the previous posts. However I think this has gained momentum because of Voss's rise to coaching and the 'success' of the Lions so far. If he'd struggled and the Lions were perceived to be struggling, I don't think anyone would be thinking that Buckley should coach without going thru the normal processes of becoming an assistant first.

Given that all the publicity surrounding the need to go through the assistant role first now diminishing, I can understand clubs looking at Buckley. His persona gives the impression he'd be pretty good at the role - clear communicator, understands how to explain the game to all levels and obviously understands the game itself in the current form.

Regarding the initial post - my mate who is a North supporter doesn't want Buckley using them as a stepping stone on the way to Collingwood. If I were a North supporter I'd sign him up NOW. If you spent $800k a year (which I'm not saying they will) I think they'd bring that money and more into the club in sponsorship and membership.

Voss getting the Brisbane gig would've helped him immensely, those around him would've been aware of his work ethics and his communication skills and styles. Buckley and Collingwood would be a similar circumstance, other than that, I think North Melbourne should be looking for someone with a proven track record.

Some Clubs won't want to see him go somewhere else just because history says some great players haven't made great coaches.

Many great players have made outstanding coaches.

What if you guess wrong on Bucks and he turns out to be a gun coach! Every coach at some point had no senior coaching experience.

Personally, I feel a couple of years as an assistant would be better preparation but it might be a case of the quick and the dead from the clubs' perspectives. The senior coach is surrounded by some many assistants these days that it won't all come down to just him anyway. Vossy is getting some good support in Brisbane even though it's easy to assume it's just all his doing.

I am 99.99% certain Buckley will make a great coach. He knows his stuff, is one of the most throrough people in footy, and the big point ... he's hungry. He never got premiership success as a player and will leave no stone unturned to win one as a coach. He's too talented to just sit in the commentators' booth.

Adelaide Hawk wrote:I am 99.99% certain Buckley will make a great coach. He knows his stuff, is one of the most throrough people in footy, and the big point ... he's hungry. He never got premiership success as a player and will leave no stone unturned to win one as a coach. He's too talented to just sit in the commentators' booth.

Smartest post in the last 24 hours. Spot on about Buckley he will succeed BIG TIME IMO - and maybe it will be at Port.

Lightning McQueen wrote:I can't understand what all the hype is surrounding Buckley and possible coaching roles, he hasn't had much of a run as an assistant, he's been known to have stoushes with team-mates and he has seemed arrogant at times and would struggle to gain respect and get the most out of his players.
I think the only place that he could get off to a decent start would be Collingwood.

This is what I was thinking. You could always tell that Bucks was going to be a gun player but I don't see any outstanding insight coming from the mind of Buckley judging by what he's done in the media so far. Voss, the man Bucks is most compared to in terms of coaching was always far more articulate and remember not every gun player is a gun coach, just ask Tim Watson.

regards,

REB

Adelaide Hawk wrote:I am 99.99% certain Buckley will make a great coach. He knows his stuff, is one of the most throrough people in footy, and the big point ... he's hungry. He never got premiership success as a player and will leave no stone unturned to win one as a coach. He's too talented to just sit in the commentators' booth.

That's a good point. We'll all just have to wait and see.

regards,

REB

Adelaide Hawk wrote:I am 99.99% certain Buckley will make a great coach. He knows his stuff, is one of the most throrough people in footy, and the big point ... he's hungry. He never got premiership success as a player and will leave no stone unturned to win one as a coach. He's too talented to just sit in the commentators' booth.

dose this mean Stuey Dew might be a good coach

Rams52 wrote:

Adelaide Hawk wrote:I am 99.99% certain Buckley will make a great coach. He knows his stuff, is one of the most throrough people in footy, and the big point ... he's hungry. He never got premiership success as a player and will leave no stone unturned to win one as a coach. He's too talented to just sit in the commentators' booth.

dose this mean Stuey Dew might be a good coach

... and Stupdio as well?

thinks its abit rough that people think bucks should be paid between 8 000 000 and a million dollars to coach the roos, when Laidley and fellow players have taken pay cuts for there team and bucks dosent have the best resume going around..

At the end of the day, a good coach is still only as good as the side he has to contend with, but you also need to have all the support structures in place and I think Buckley will want to have all the boxes ticked. In Voss's case, Brisbane are a well oiled machine and he hasn't had to worry about anything else.

Kangaroos - a youngish side, plenty of upside on that front but very brittle off the park ($$$) and have Simpson nearing the end and Harvey now carrying injuries - still a high risk for Buckley and will require marketing and selling the club all the time which detracts from anyone's coaching abilities.

Richmond - will need to offload most of his senior players - for me an over-rated young list apart from Cotchin, Delidio and a couple of others - brittle in terms of eating their own and having no real no footy culture for 20+ years - that takes time to rebuild.

Now whilst Buckley has indicated he wants to coach and look at any offers - you don't just take any job - in my humble opinion, he will wait until the right job comes because it will come soon - it just might mean waiting for another year and he will have all the words of wisdom instructing him - he only needs to talk to Alan Jeans about ensuring that you coach the very best teams.

Ruben Carter wrote:

Adelaide Hawk wrote:I am 99.99% certain Buckley will make a great coach. He knows his stuff, is one of the most throrough people in footy, and the big point ... he's hungry. He never got premiership success as a player and will leave no stone unturned to win one as a coach. He's too talented to just sit in the commentators' booth.

Smartest post in the last 24 hours. Spot on about Buckley he will succeed BIG TIME IMO - and maybe it will be at Port.

I agree with everything here. Except the part about Port, unless their youngsters decide to pull their fingers out they are screwed. Look at how they've responded to that premeture GF berth. They play as if they've done it all already and have achieved something. Brutally, they have achieved nothing but played well at the same time as their senior players and managed to pull the short straw of playing Geelong in that unforgettable game. For Port to succeed it is time for Westhoff, Gray, Salopek(1/2 there), Surjan, Carlisle, Chaplin to stamp their own mark on the competition, they all have played good football at times, but they have to realise that they are the new senior group. Until they mature Port are doomed. I don't think Buckley is the right man for maturing a group of youngsters.
In short Port has oodles of talent, but not making the most of it.

acockfromwayback wrote:For Port to succeed it is time for Westhoff, Gray, Salopek(1/2 there), Surjan, Carlisle, Chaplin to stamp their own mark on the competition, they all have played good football at times, but they have to realise that they are the new senior group. Until they mature Port are doomed.

Doomed? Pretty strong words. They are equal 7th and one game out of the top 4. Hardly doomed.

Carlisle- 43 Games (22)
Westhoff- 41 Games (22)
Gray- 26 Games (21)
Salopek- 89 Games (24)
Surjan- 78 Games (23)
Chaplin- 73 Games (23)

How is the new senior group? Yes it will be eventually but at the moment most of them are kids still learning the trade not to mention Surjan is ordinary at best and Chaplin is just a solid reliable defender. Salopek can improve and possibly seen as a leader but Westhoff, Carlisle and Gray are still developing.

Why don't you point your finger at the likes of Rodan, Motlop, Burgoyne and Cornes Brothers, Josh Carr, Brogan and Lade, Logan, Cassisi, Pettigrew and co who have all had significant experience at this level. You can not rely on kids who have played less than 50 games to provide your backbone. yes of course they will need to keep improving but lets give them a chance to do that without rolling lines like Doomed and put their stamp on the competition.

Buckley has all the tools to be an excellent coach. I really hope we (Richmond) do whatever we can (within reason) to get him to our footy club. He knows what it takes to be successful, and will demand nothing less from his players.