Ultimate Power lineup

[Magpiespower]

This being our tenth season and all...

B: Michael Wilson, Darryl Wakelin, Darren Mead
HB: Adam Kingsley, Chad Cornes, Brett Montgomery
C: Kane Cornes, Roger James, Jarrad Schofield
HF: Stuart Dew, Warren Tredrea (vc), Peter Burgoyne
F: Gavin Wanganeen, Brendon Lade, Shaun Burgoyne
R: Matthew Primus (c), Josh Carr, Josh Francou
Int: Stephen Paxman, Damien Hardwick, Dean Brogan, Brayden Lyle
Coach: Mark Williams

[sydney-dog]

F MORGAN POOLE NAISH
HF COTTON LOCKWOOD HALL
C ROMBOTIS SQUIRE DICKIE
HB FIEBERT HARWOOD CRABB
B GILHAM GIESTER S. BASSETT
1R CHALMERS HEAVER BRUER
INT BROSNAN EVANS CONWAY CARTER

In all serious I would also be interested in people's view on Port's performance during trade periods, for me, whether forced or un-forced they have let go of some quality players in such a short history of the club

Players include
Harley, Koulouriotis, Biglands, Bode, Carr, Stevens, Pickett, French, Ackland, Eagleton, Cummings

All fit these players would made most sides best 22

[Magpiespower]

Harley - one that got away

Carr - wanted to go home
Stevens - wanted to go home (screwed us royally)

Koulouriotis - couldn't get a game
Biglands - couldn't get a game
Ackland - couldn't get a game/injury prone

Bode - expendable/other midfielders ahead of him
Eagleton - expendable/other midfielders (traded for Brett Montgomery)

Pickett - had to go
Cummings - had to go

We've also picked up some quality players...

Wakelin
Schofield
Hardwick
Bishop
Picket (for half of 2003 and one magical day in September 2004)
Motlop

[sydney-dog]

Magpiepower, given Port's consistent depth in the rucking dept, understand why Biglands, French and Ackland were traded, but then again I believe both French and Biglands can play as key talls in the back half.

Given the lack of midfield options, maybe the club was too short sighted on Bode, Eagleton and Koulouriotis and should of looked more long term.

Bode, Eagleton and Koulouriotis were all flicked early in the development, Eagleton struggled to adjust to the bulldogs but his past two seasons has been outstanding, Koulouriotis, is now starting to establish himself at the cats and may be a late bloomer and I have no doubts that the Power Players hold Matty Bode in high regards, hopefully injury free he can show the footy world that he can play.

Can anyone advisew what the power got in return for Harley

[haloman]

Magpiepower, given Port's consistent depth in the rucking dept, understand why Biglands, French and Ackland were traded, but then again I believe both French and Biglands can play as key talls in the back half.

Given the lack of midfield options, maybe the club was too short sighted on Bode, Eagleton and Koulouriotis and should of looked more long term.

Bode, Eagleton and Koulouriotis were all flicked early in the development, Eagleton struggled to adjust to the bulldogs but his past two seasons has been outstanding, Koulouriotis, is now starting to establish himself at the cats and may be a late bloomer and I have no doubts that the Power Players hold Matty Bode in high regards, hopefully injury free he can show the footy world that he can play.

Can anyone advisew what the power got in return for Harley

Could be wrong but I reckon it was part of the Wakelin deal involving about 4 clubs and 6 different players. Booney will know.

[haloman]

[quote="sydney-dog"]F MORGAN POOLE NAISH
HF COTTON LOCKWOOD HALL
C ROMBOTIS SQUIRE DICKIE
HB FIEBERT HARWOOD CRABB
B GILHAM GIESTER S. BASSETT
1R CHALMERS HEAVER BRUER
INT BROSNAN EVANS CONWAY CARTER

You forgot the Emergencies Salopek, D.Brown, S.Bond

[Punk Rooster]

Stevens - wanted to go home (screwed us royally)

How did he screw you royally? By wanting to return home? Geez, that's treachery of the highest order...

[Magpiespower]

sd - you've gotta remember, several of those players were trying to break into a side that won at least 16 games a year and finished top three at the end of the minor round four years in a row. No easy feat.

All of those players had been on the list for at least three seasons - possible exceptions were Harley and Biglands who might have only been on the list for two, not sure.

There simply wasn't a spot for Bode, Koula or Eagleton, who started off promising but lost his spot when Carr, Burgoyne, James and Cornes came through.

Chances are that had most of these players stayed on Port's list, they wouldn't be playing AFL today. They would most likely have been delisted and gone back to the SANFL or VFL.

Stevens - wanted to go home (screwed us royally)

How did he screw you royally? By wanting to return home? Geez, that's treachery of the highest order...

Er, not the fact that he wanted to go home, rather the manner in which he returned home as in...

He initially gave the club four preferred options as to who he wanted to get traded to...

And then when the club had reached an agreement with Melbourne (I think it was Melbourne) he pulls out the Collingwood ultimatum at the eleventh hour.

But I'm sure the likes of Dom Cassissi and Josh Mahoney are forever grateful to Nick Stevens.

[sydney-dog]

magpiepower, your right at that time it was difficult for that group to break through as the clubs win ratio was very high, but my point is list management has become such a critical component of a clubs long term success......

No doubt that the Powers list management strategy has delivered them a Premiership, they brought established players to the club such as Hardwick and the club has experienced success.

My question is, a what price will Port pay for this Premiership, during that period youth was sacraficed for experience, now they have a list with either senior group players or kids under 21yrs and not much in between........ this may hurt the club in years to come

Premierships sometimes do come at a cost, it's tough enough winning them, it's tougher planning and managing your list ensuring you stay in contension even after you have experienced the ultimate in succes......

[Magpiespower]

Agreed sd. But in the socialist AFL, it's nigh impossible to stay up for more than five years at a time. Seems now clubs have a three-to-four window at best and they best make the most of it.

Essendon and West Coast have long set the benchmark as far as list management goes. But even they Bombers are struggling at the moment and the Weagles had to endure a horrible couple of years before coming good.

We're certainly lacking 'young veterans' - that core group of 60-70 game players, which means we will have to endure a bit of short-term pain this year. We're just lucky that our senior core group consists of players in their mid-to-late 20s who still have a lot of good football to come. Fingers crossed Salopek, Ebert, Pearce, Thomson, Chaplin etc come on as expected in time for another shot at the flag in 2-3 years.

Undoubtedly, the two biggest losses have been Stevens and, in particular, Carr. They were two kids we knew would eventually return home but hoped it wouldn't be when they were entering their best years. Coupled with chronic injuries to James and Francou, our midfield has been exposed a little earlier than we would haved hoped. Bur oh well, how sad, too bad.

Can't speak for other Port supporters, but the 2004 premiership was worth every single belting we copped last year.

Even against the Crows.

[sydney-dog]

Magpiepower
Another huge loss to the Power has been Alan Stewart
In his short period at West Lakes our yonger players have developed out of sight
previously this has been a real problem area for the crows
Alan's loss may be felt in the seasons to come

[Magpiespower]

How quickly they forget!

Yes, Alan Stewart is our BIGGEST loss.

The man is genius in identifying and developing young talent.

[sydney-dog]

I he probably does not get the credit he deserves for Central's success, he was the man who laid the foundations for our recent success.....

for me he is definitely the Crows best recruit last year

[Booney]

Alan Stewart is clearly one of those gifted individuals who is excited by a challenge.He appears to get bored quickly when things are going well,ie:Centrals and Port Adelaide.
He is a huge loss for us,and a huge win fall for the Cows,the only thing I can say is,any one got a job for James Fantasia?

[JK]

Stevens - wanted to go home (screwed us royally)

How did he screw you royally? By wanting to return home? Geez, that's treachery of the highest order...

I gotta say Punky, I thoroughly agree with you on this one ... I don't believe Josh Carr receives anywhere near the attack this bloke does, yet it was pretty much the same circumstance ... Same goes with the Crows and Fergus, either sign them up to an extension the season before and if they fail to accept then trade them to the highest bidder (within their home town/preferred destination) ...

[Booney]

Can anyone advisew what the power got in return for Harley

Could be wrong but I reckon it was part of the Wakelin deal involving about 4 clubs and 6 different players. Booney will know.

Tom Harley 1 game and 1 goal in 1998.

IIRC the deal also involved Kouloritis some where along the line.I think Kouloritis was going elsewhere,but Geelong and who ever else was involved brokered a deal to get Kouloritis to Catland.Wakelin came back home in 2002,Im thinking this huge trade also involved Scott Cummings going to the WCE,Jarrod Schofield coming to Port,maybe a Cats fan can remember getting either a WCE player or some one else in this trade.

[JK]

Pretty sure you had Schofield from the start mate, possibly as one of your 4 contract-exempt options?

[Rik E Boy]

Might have been Brett/Brent (can't remember the big useless lug) Spinks Booney. Another from the WCE Duds to Catland file. Only decent player we got was Mitchell White and his body was worn out by the time he got to Catland. FWIW, I think Port's trading over the years has been excellent, although I think the club erred in not getting anything for Nick Stevens..that was chest beating stuff that probably cost the club.

As for the players that Sid mentioned being 'in the best 22'..Koula is nowhere near Geelong's best 22 and I expect him to be delisted after this season unless he produces something special. Plenty of Cats have gone straight past him in the last two years.

regards,

REB

[Magpiespower]

The four uncontracted players we signed for 1997 were...

Gavin Wanganeen
Matthew Primus
Adam Heuskes
Ian Downsyndrome

20c more and we would have had Chris Grant!

Definitely traded for Jarrad Schofield - might have been for Cummings, not quite sure.

Carr doesn't cop it from Port supporters because:

1. He never said he was definitely going to stay (a drunk Matty Primus did, but Josh didn't).
2. He didn't hold a gun to the club's head.
3. He gave the club time to work out a trade with one of the WA clubs, preferably Fremantle for obvious reasons.

Collingwood tried to dud us on the Stevens trade. Helping a team that just beat you in the Prelim get stronger is not smart trading IMO.

[JK]

The four uncontracted players we signed for 1997 were...

Gavin Wanganeen
Matthew Primus
Adam Heuskes
Ian Downsyndrome

20c more and we would have had Chris Grant!

Definitely traded for Jarrad Schofield - might have been for Cummings, not quite sure.

Carr doesn't cop it from Port supporters because:

1. He never said he was definitely going to stay (a drunk Matty Primus did, but Josh didn't).
2. He didn't hold a gun to the club's head.
3. He gave the club time to work out a trade with one of the WA clubs, preferably Fremantle for obvious reasons.

Collingwood tried to dud us on the Stevens trade. Helping a team that just beat you in the Prelim get stronger is not smart trading IMO.

Yeah they are fair points I guess, and I can understand the ire in that case ... And thanks for clearing up the Schofield sitch ..