Am I being too harsh??

[LaughingKookaburra]

When I say that Woosher has a hell of alot to answer for at West Coast?? Talks of dynasties even at the begining of last year. Now they are complete scrubbers. People say "Oh you lose players of the calibre they have and you would struggle aswell". But jesus there was a serious issue at WCE initially and it should have never gotten to that in the first place. They lose Cousins, Judd and atm Kerr plus a few others and they are completely shot, I mean actually completely shot. I honestly beleive Woosher has to have questions asked by the board of the most succesfull AFL club since its existance on his people managment skills and also list managment. If I was a WCE supporter i'd be asking serious questions on how my club which financially is one of the 2 best placed in the entire league has been left crippled on the field......

[Hondo]

I think there's a range of issues that have lead to where they are right now, including a terrible run with injuries this season

After all the history of the last 18 months to point the finger solely at Woosher is unfair and too simplistic IMO - in organisations with lots of peope involved there's always a range of failure points, a series of little things that add up to something big at the end. Woosher would have his share of things he would do differently, and he would have some mates! If the Board is going to ask questions of him, well I'd be asking plenty of questions straight back.

eg, Woosher has already admitted that he did not act quickly or strongly enough when the off-field issues first came to light.

[Dutchy]

WCE were pretty good tonight, some of there kids looked good....very young list plenty of upside but going to take a while

[LaughingKookaburra]

I think there's a range of issues that have lead to where they are right now, including a terrible run with injuries this season

After all the history of the last 18 months to point the finger solely at Woosher is unfair and too simplistic IMO - in organisations with lots of peope involved there's always a range of failure points, a series of little things that add up to something big at the end. Woosher would have his share of things he would do differently, and he would have some mates! If the Board is going to ask questions of him, well I'd be asking plenty of questions straight back.

eg, Woosher has already admitted that he did not act quickly or strongly enough when the off-field issues first came to light.

IMO it still does not make him safe though. If you were head of a board of an extremely succesful organisation and you did not manage your issues as they come to hand appropriatly and then the business went down you would surely be held accountable. Football is now big business whether people like to admit it or not and a club with such backing as WCE should not be in the condition they are currently in no matter the circumstances............

[stan]

I think there's a range of issues that have lead to where they are right now, including a terrible run with injuries this season

After all the history of the last 18 months to point the finger solely at Woosher is unfair and too simplistic IMO - in organisations with lots of peope involved there's always a range of failure points, a series of little things that add up to something big at the end. Woosher would have his share of things he would do differently, and he would have some mates! If the Board is going to ask questions of him, well I'd be asking plenty of questions straight back.

eg, Woosher has already admitted that he did not act quickly or strongly enough when the off-field issues first came to light.

IMO it still does not make him safe though. If you were head of a board of an extremely succesful organisation and you did not manage your issues as they come to hand appropriatly and then the business went down you would surely be held accountable. Football is now big business whether people like to admit it or not and a club with such backing as WCE should not be in the condition they are currently in no matter the circumstances............

You are being too harsh. Injuires and the loss of key personel of the years are taking there toll. The young kids are now being played and look good. Rebuilding. Ever club has to go through it.

[evans01]

I think there's a range of issues that have lead to where they are right now, including a terrible run with injuries this season

After all the history of the last 18 months to point the finger solely at Woosher is unfair and too simplistic IMO - in organisations with lots of peope involved there's always a range of failure points, a series of little things that add up to something big at the end. Woosher would have his share of things he would do differently, and he would have some mates! If the Board is going to ask questions of him, well I'd be asking plenty of questions straight back.

eg, Woosher has already admitted that he did not act quickly or strongly enough when the off-field issues first came to light.

IMO it still does not make him safe though. If you were head of a board of an extremely succesful organisation and you did not manage your issues as they come to hand appropriatly and then the business went down you would surely be held accountable. Football is now big business whether people like to admit it or not and a club with such backing as WCE should not be in the condition they are currently in no matter the circumstances............

You are being too harsh. Injuires and the loss of key personel of the years are taking there toll. The young kids are now being played and look good. Rebuilding. Ever club has to go through it.

absolute crap........your not being harsh at all............
face facts west coast have alot to answer to and the coach must bear the brunt of the questions after all that is their role!!!

[gadj1976]

Nup, after playing finals for many seasons, teams struggle through injury and form. Reading on the net, you hear that that is because of less time to recover from operations before the next season starts. Teams taper off to different levels, but WCE have the added problem of losing Judd and Cousins.

So I think Worsfold should be given some lee-way.

[sydney-dog]

IMO, Woosha certainly knew about the range of off field issues, he chose to look away, Woosha focus was winning games rather than developing the right culture

the result, Woosha has a Premiership in his kit bag, however at what cost, no Judd, no Cousins, Poor Culture and NO RESPECT

this club will take another 5-6 yrs to rebuild, and all this happened under Woosha's watch

[Psyber]

Nup, after playing finals for many seasons, teams struggle through injury and form. Reading on the net, you hear that that is because of less time to recover from operations before the next season starts. Teams taper off to different levels, but WCE have the added problem of losing Judd and Cousins.

So I think Worsfold should be given some lee-way.

IMO, Woosha certainly knew about the range of off field issues, he chose to look away, Woosha focus was winning games rather than developing the right culture

the result, Woosha has a Premiership in his kit bag, however at what cost, no Judd, no Cousins, Poor Culture and NO RESPECT

this club will take another 5-6 yrs to rebuild, and all this happened under Woosha's watch

I think Woosher went for the short-term gain and turned a blind eye to the wider issues involving his "star" players for that one premiership, probably hoping for two, to make his reputation.
That sort of thinking comes back and bites you, as he is now learning.

[gadj1976]

Nup, after playing finals for many seasons, teams struggle through injury and form. Reading on the net, you hear that that is because of less time to recover from operations before the next season starts. Teams taper off to different levels, but WCE have the added problem of losing Judd and Cousins.

So I think Worsfold should be given some lee-way.

IMO, Woosha certainly knew about the range of off field issues, he chose to look away, Woosha focus was winning games rather than developing the right culture

the result, Woosha has a Premiership in his kit bag, however at what cost, no Judd, no Cousins, Poor Culture and NO RESPECT

this club will take another 5-6 yrs to rebuild, and all this happened under Woosha's watch

I think Woosher went for the short-term gain and turned a blind eye to the wider issues involving his "star" players for that one premiership, probably hoping for two, to make his reputation.
That sort of thinking comes back and bites you, as he is now learning.

Don't agree with that after reading an article in the Weekend Australian magazine. He was helping Cousins greatly in his health issues. So to say he turned a blind eye I just don't agree with at all.

[Psyber]

Nup, after playing finals for many seasons, teams struggle through injury and form. Reading on the net, you hear that that is because of less time to recover from operations before the next season starts. Teams taper off to different levels, but WCE have the added problem of losing Judd and Cousins.

So I think Worsfold should be given some lee-way.

IMO, Woosha certainly knew about the range of off field issues, he chose to look away, Woosha focus was winning games rather than developing the right culture

the result, Woosha has a Premiership in his kit bag, however at what cost, no Judd, no Cousins, Poor Culture and NO RESPECT

this club will take another 5-6 yrs to rebuild, and all this happened under Woosha's watch

I think Woosher went for the short-term gain and turned a blind eye to the wider issues involving his "star" players for that one premiership, probably hoping for two, to make his reputation.
That sort of thinking comes back and bites you, as he is now learning.

Don't agree with that after reading an article in the Weekend Australian magazine. He was helping Cousins greatly in his health issues. So to say he turned a blind eye I just don't agree with at all.

I haven't seen that one, or any other articles suggesting that, but I'll keep an eye open and be prepared to reconsider my view if I find one.

[gadj1976]

Yeh I can't find it on the net Psyber but I happen to have that Weekend Aust Mag on my desk, cos a bloke here at work wants to read it.

I might scan it in and see how I go uploading it.

It was eye opening for me I must say.

[Rik E Boy]

I reckon Woosha is a bit like Grant Thomas. An excellent 'man manager' but not the greatest match day coach. Who takes the fullback off for a rest in the middle of a tight final?? (vs. Collingwood last year). Being shown up by the decline in the quality of the cattle.

regards,

REB

[stan]

I think there's a range of issues that have lead to where they are right now, including a terrible run with injuries this season

After all the history of the last 18 months to point the finger solely at Woosher is unfair and too simplistic IMO - in organisations with lots of peope involved there's always a range of failure points, a series of little things that add up to something big at the end. Woosher would have his share of things he would do differently, and he would have some mates! If the Board is going to ask questions of him, well I'd be asking plenty of questions straight back.

eg, Woosher has already admitted that he did not act quickly or strongly enough when the off-field issues first came to light.

IMO it still does not make him safe though. If you were head of a board of an extremely succesful organisation and you did not manage your issues as they come to hand appropriatly and then the business went down you would surely be held accountable. Football is now big business whether people like to admit it or not and a club with such backing as WCE should not be in the condition they are currently in no matter the circumstances............

You are being too harsh. Injuires and the loss of key personel of the years are taking there toll. The young kids are now being played and look good. Rebuilding. Ever club has to go through it.

absolute crap........your not being harsh at all............
face facts west coast have alot to answer to and the coach must bear the brunt of the questions after all that is their role!!!

You dont actually believe that, your just still bitchey because I told you no one asked for your opinion the other day.

[evans01]

dont be like that stan.............i always appreciate very one of your posts......