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This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:26 am
by Rik E Boy
Victoria vs. AUSTRALIA

Forget this Americanised 'Dream Team' or 'All Star' bull5hit.

This concept could work if they marketed it a little differently. The Vics would always rally behind the big V but who amongst us is going to rally behind the traditional white jumper of a 'Dream Team'? Answer: **** ALL.

This concept could actually work if instead of an insipid white jumper, the 'Dream Team' could be called Australia and wear the Green and Gold. Bang instant tradition and thus solving an age old problem our code has...who would Australia play against? The Vics.

This concept marketed in such a way would be more palatable for those football fans outside of Victoria and a State of Origin format for it would mean it would work on the road. The only place a 'Dream Team' vs. Victoria match would work would be in Melbourne.

The Vics on the other hand aren't exactly left out of the picture as the Big V would live on and the rest of us can enjoy watching the mighty Aussies defeat the evil Mexicans!

regards,

REB

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 10:41 am
by MightyEagles
It should have been SA v Vic. At least we'll have the SANFL v VFL match in about 3 weeks.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:23 am
by Rik E Boy
MightyEagles wrote:It should have been SA v Vic. At least we'll have the SANFL v VFL match in about 3 weeks.


No, that concept is well past its use by date. What about the other states? You've just done to the rest of the Australia what the Vics have done to you with that call.

No, bring on AUSTRALIA.

regards,

REB

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:17 pm
by JK
Not bad Richard, not bad at all.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:20 pm
by Dogwatcher
Bollocks.
So, you'll have Victorians being unable to play for Australia...
Sure the Big V is pretty important, but playing for your country (and not just seven of the states and territories) is the ultimate.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:31 pm
by JK
Im not a fan of the dream team deal either, in fact I have quite a few issues with the whole concept (especially the coaches - Surely there's a conflict of interest there and who is to suggest they have been the best coaches of the last 150 years?).

Your point is correct DW, I guess I was viewing it as a "Rest Of" kind of option.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:38 pm
by Dogwatcher
Constance_Perm wrote: Surely there's a conflict of interest there and who is to suggest they have been the best coaches of the last 150 years?).


Maybe Ted Whitten snr could coach eh CP? :lol:

Constance_Perm wrote: Your point is correct DW, I guess I was viewing it as a "Rest Of" kind of option.


It is already a "rest of" kind of option.

I'm still unsure of how I feel about this game.
I'm hoping that it proves to be a winning concept, but one which reveals the desire for SOO is still there.

A better option, I believe, would be an East v West match up if it can't be SOO.
Qld, NSW, ACT, Vic v Tas, SA, WA, NT, Irish

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:41 pm
by evans01
i just dont see the point of the whole exercise.............its either a "full-on"
state of origin series of its nothing................................

i wonder how the ticket sales are going???

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:42 pm
by JK
Dogwatcher wrote:
Constance_Perm wrote: Surely there's a conflict of interest there and who is to suggest they have been the best coaches of the last 150 years?).


Maybe Ted Whitten snr could coach eh CP? :lol:

Hmmm ... I might leave that one alone.

My point is, that I have no doubt Bomber and Choco would do the right thing, but the fact remains it leaves them open to scrutiny over selection or use of their own players or even those of upcoming opponents ... Scrutiny that wouldn't exist if say Sheedy and Blight were the coaches, or Walls and Cornes (for example).

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:44 pm
by Dogwatcher
That's a good point.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:50 pm
by Psyber
Constance_Perm wrote:Im not a fan of the dream team deal either, in fact I have quite a few issues with the whole concept (especially the coaches - Surely there's a conflict of interest there and who is to suggest they have been the best coaches of the last 150 years?).

Your point is correct DW, I guess I was viewing it as a "Rest Of" kind of option.

I'm not a fan of the US style "Dream Team" terminology, and I do think the whole thing is a bit unexciting. I'd probably watch the match if it were the best thing on TV at the time, but that's about it.

I do agree that coaches with no conflict of interest may have been a good idea.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:53 pm
by Dutchy
Dream Team aint an American term, if anything isnt it a Aussie term (aboriginal)

American sports use All stars....

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:59 pm
by Psyber
Dutchy wrote:Dream Team aint an American term, if anything isnt it a Aussie term (aboriginal)
American sports use All stars....

Dream Team = Dream Time??

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:07 pm
by Dutchy
Psyber wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Dream Team aint an American term, if anything isnt it a Aussie term (aboriginal)
American sports use All stars....

Dream Team = Dream Time??


Spot on...

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:11 pm
by Hondo
Wasn't the term "Dream Team" first used when the US were able to pick their Pro basketball players in their Olympic team in 1992 or so and Jordan, Johnson and co got together for the first time?

That's why I don't like the term being used this weekend. A dream team would be the all-Australian team, not a "rest-of" team

The problem with a East v West is that it's not as good at cranking up the passion as a Victoria v the Rest - at least for the Melbourne fans given its being played at the G. This way, hopefully the Victorians jump on board their team and rest of us get fired up to beat them.

Even tho I would have preferred proper SOO I understand that trying to accomodate 7 states and territories was unworkable in 1 weekend. Even on this site, despite all the anger at the final concept, no-one came up with a workable SOO concept unless it left some states out or involved 10,000 matches over a 10 week carnival.

Getting the best 44 players in the land on the field at the one time is the best way to do it IMO.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:31 pm
by rod_rooster
The best solution would've been to accept that it can't be done properly therefore not do it at all.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:39 pm
by Dogwatcher
hondo71 wrote:Wasn't the term "Dream Team" first used when the US were able to pick their Pro basketball players in their Olympic team in 1992 or so and Jordan, Johnson and co got together for the first time?


correct.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:45 pm
by Dutchy
still cant see the "ameicanised" connection :?

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:51 pm
by Dogwatcher
The first thing I think of when I think of The Dream Team is the American basketball team.
I think many Australians - particularly those who know their sport - would be the same.

Re: This week's match should be...

PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:57 pm
by Rik E Boy
Dutchy wrote:still cant see the "ameicanised" connection :?


The first time I heard the term 'dream team' it was in connection to the US Olympic Basketball team as mentioned by other posters.

What I can't see is the problem of Victorian players not being able to play for Australia. We aren't talking about an international code here. We are talking about a representative side that represents the rest of Australia against the home state of the code.

It could work.

regards,

REB