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Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:44 pm
by Sojourner
Just wondering how long it will be until the AFL embraces the concept of "Player Loaning" as done in the English Premier League the richest sporting club competition in the world?

For the uninitiated the way Player loaning works is something like the following examples,

Hernan Crespo is a recently departed Chelsea striker. He was signed away from Inter Milan in 2003 for 16.8 million Euros. For the 2004-2005 season, he was loaned to AC Milan. The loan means that he still belonged to Chelsea, where he played the 2005-2006 season.

Players can be loaned from other EPL clubs Intra Club, Sheffield Wednesday in a desperate attempt to avoid relegation have Five players loaned from other clubs - Ben Sahar (Chelsea), Franck Songo'o (Portsmouth), Bartosz Slusarksi (West Brom), Adam Bolder (QPR) Graham Kavanagh (Sunderland).

In theory then an SANFL club could "loan" an AFL club a player if they were good enough. Alternitivley an AFL club could "loan" an SANFL club a player that they did not have a place for in their senior side.

It could even happen that a club that does not make the finals could "loan" a player to one that does, so if Brisbane missed the finals for example then Jonathon Brown could line up for Hawthorn or Matthew Pavlich for Geelong etc.

I am not keen on the idea, yet considering how the AFL are constantly changing the rules I wont be surprised if they look into it even in some type of modifed form!

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:57 pm
by brod
Couldnt think of much worse!!

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:04 pm
by JK
Sojourner wrote:It could even happen that a club that does not make the finals could "loan" a player to one that does, so if Brisbane missed the finals for example then Jonathon Brown could line up for Hawthorn or Matthew Pavlich for Geelong etc.


Competitions like the EPL have a cut-off point for trades and loans so the finallists wouldn't necessarily be known (ie, every team should still be aspiring toward them).

Think the differences in structure between the competitions wouldn't ever allow it to come into any Aussie Rules competition.

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:57 pm
by Dirko
Constance_Perm wrote:Competitions like the EPL have a cut-off point for trades and loans so the finallists wouldn't necessarily be known (ie, every team should still be aspiring toward them).

Think the differences in structure between the competitions wouldn't ever allow it to come into any Aussie Rules competition.


Spot on CP. Look at say Liverpool :lol: , there 1st team squad consists of 55 players (according to their website). So 32 players (11 on the pitch + 4 subs) required for the EPL & Reserves, means a surplus of 23 blokes.

The best thing for surplus guys is to get a run, where the club i.e Liverpool deem fit.

The AFL and especially the Victorian sides, are aligned with a VFL side, say Carlton for example. The players are aligned with the Northern Bullants, but the 'ants still need to top up the A's & provide a B's side. So why would an AFL team loan blokes out when their own affiliates need to make up numbers ?

The season is too short for a "trade window" as well, remembering the EPL runs for just about 10 months of the year. Liverpool had their first trial on the 07th July 2007, and the final game (pending Champions League) is on the 11th May. A long season !!

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 7:01 am
by Booney
Do the EPL also have a maximum number they can have on their playing roster?

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:35 am
by Rik E Boy
Er no, the AFL can't even sort out the tanking issue let alone manage player loans, free agency or anything more complicated than a chook raffle. As long as Andy D and his schoolboy offsider can point to the crowd figures and smile, they'll reckon they are doing a good job. The reality is that the AFL is completely inflexible and is totally lacking in genuine vision beyond anything that makes a buck.

No, Footy should get the basics right like the draw and the rules.

regards,

REB

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:35 am
by Dirko
Booney wrote:Do the EPL also have a maximum number they can have on their playing roster?


No limit on squad size nor on the amount of coin one wishes to spend. For example Pool have 55, whilst struggler's Derby have 35 on their list. If you have the cash say like Pool & Manure, then you can just buy blokes that you think may do OK, like Huth for Liverpool, then loan them out somewhere, hope they do real well for the loaned team, and then either keep them after a season getting a run around in a good football environment or sell them at trade period for a profit...basically players become pawn chips, especially ones like Huth who are good enough for a National side, yest can't crack the 1's...

That is why there is a huge discrepancy between the top 4 - 6 in the EPL to the bottom 4 - 6.

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:21 am
by tigersupporter
If a player is loaned out to another club, are they allowed to play against there normal club?

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:33 am
by Dirko
tigersupporter wrote:If a player is loaned out to another club, are they allowed to play against there normal club?


Not in the EPL they can't. Unsure about other leagues though...

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:35 pm
by am Bays
more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:53 pm
by Zorro
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....


:lol: :lol: yeah indefinitely

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:25 am
by Booney
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....


Swap you a Lonie for him?

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:14 am
by JK
Booney wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....


Swap you a Lonie for him?


Might force Ian Downsborough out of retirement the way you're going mate

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:03 am
by Psyber
Booney wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....

Swap you a Lonie for him?

Deal! I think Lonie could be developed, like Symes, under the right coach.

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:05 am
by rod_rooster
Psyber wrote:
Booney wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....

Swap you a Lonie for him?

Deal! I think Lonie could be developed, like Symes, under the right coach.


I didn't think you were a drinker Psyber :?

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:08 am
by Psyber
rod_rooster wrote:
Psyber wrote:
Booney wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....

Swap you a Lonie for him?

Deal! I think Lonie could be developed, like Symes, under the right coach.


I didn't think you were a drinker Psyber :?

Only the good stuff! :wink:

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:19 pm
by Booney
Psyber wrote:
Booney wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:more than happy to lend Luke Jericho to the Power....

Swap you a Lonie for him?

Deal! I think Lonie could be developed, like Symes, under the right coach.


You're right mate,only a Premiership coach could get the best out of these blokes.*







*Footnote-I am aware Symes is going well,however,with a fit Wilson,Bentley,Thomas,Thompson,Stewart is there a spot (in Ports opinion) for Symes?

I dont think so and was happy to see the bloke get more opportunity elsewhere,well done to him.(Not Craig Neil :lol: )

Re: Player Loaning (EPL Style) in the AFL?

PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:25 pm
by evans01
not a good idea, afl cant organise a draft system never mind having to worry about loaning player............ :wink: