Odd Occurrence in the Carlton v Melbourne game?

[JK]

Wondering whether someone can set me straight here, or confirm whether the umpire made a blue in this game ... The version (and order) of events is below:

1. Carlton player has a set shot for goal from about 20 metres out
2. Whilst walking back to take his kick there's a smallish melee in the goalsquare
3. During the melee, Matthew Whelan hit's Fevola (it was soft as butter but thats another matter)
4. Carlton player kicks the goal
5. Umpire reports Whelan for the incident (which took place prior to the goal being kicked)
6. Award's Fevola a free kick in the goalsquare for a 2 goal play

Now I know that a 2-goal play is not uncommon, but surely if he'd reported Whelan at the time the indiscretion took place, it would have been a free kick + 50m to Fevola and the Blues still only get 1 goal out of it?

[Dirko]

No drama's with that one CP...move on

I watched it last night and from what I gathered Judd took the mark. As he was lining up for goal
Whelan got stuck into Fev, and a skirmish started in the goal square.

Judd kicked the goal, the umpire awarded the goal from the mark taken BEFORE the incident, he then
reported Whelan, and awarded a free kick to Fev as a result of the incident in the goalsquare...

IF he took the ball off Judd and gave it to Fev as a free, then there would've been an injustice
there as the incident happened after Judds mark...

[mighty_tiger_79]

normally the secondary kick is taken when the indiscretion occurs after goal is kicked and ball on the way back to the middle.

maybe the umps were on the blues 40+ or fev for coleman

[gadj1976]

7. After Fev takes the kick, he pats said Whelan on bot bot!

No report for mine (very soft). And yes, if the skirmish occurred before Judd took the kick, then a 50 ONLY should be paid.

[JK]

No drama's with that one CP...move on

I watched it last night and from what I gathered Judd took the mark. As he was lining up for goal
Whelan got stuck into Fev, and a skirmish started in the goal square.

Judd kicked the goal, the umpire awarded the goal from the mark taken BEFORE the incident, he then
reported Whelan, and awarded a free kick to Fev as a result of the incident in the goalsquare...

IF he took the ball off Judd and gave it to Fev as a free, then there would've been an injustice
there as the incident happened after Judds mark...

But surely the rules state he has to penalise the infringement at the TIME OF IT'S OCCURENCE?

I would have understand if Fev had been put down AFTER the goal was kicked, but that clearly wasn't the case.

Obviously I'm under no illusion that this would have affected the result, but just thought it was poor umpiring.

[gadj1976]

Much like the rest of the game CP. Shocking!

[JK]

LOL very true mate, probably unfair to highlight a potential umpire error when there were so many galring errors from players throughout the game.

Not much middle ground in the AFL at the moment, you either get a stinker of a game (Melb v Carl, Crows v Freo) or a ripper (Cats v Swans, Lions v Hawks, Roos v Pies, Dogs v Tiges)

I didn't see the Saints v Bombers not much of the West Coast v Power so can't comment on those really.

[smac]

I saw that too and thought a second shot on goal can only be awarded if the infringement occurs after 'all clear' is given by the field umpire.

Where's Tas, our resident white maggot sympathiser...

[JK]

I saw that too and thought a second shot on goal can only be awarded if the infringement occurs after 'all clear' is given by the field umpire.

Where's Tas, our resident white maggot sympathiser...

LOL Such a good way with words mate

[smac]

I'm hoping he'll be too busy defending the umps to realise I had half a crack* at him.

[am Bays]

Did this happened at the end of the qtr or "in play" as that will dictate if the umpire based on the above description is correct or not.

[JK]

During play mate, no siren involved

[gadj1976]

In play TM, the scuffle occurred, the kick was taken, the whistle blew, the free kick given, the report was taken (in that order)

[Psyber]

No drama's with that one CP...move on

I watched it last night and from what I gathered Judd took the mark. As he was lining up for goal
Whelan got stuck into Fev, and a skirmish started in the goal square.

Judd kicked the goal, the umpire awarded the goal from the mark taken BEFORE the incident, he then
reported Whelan, and awarded a free kick to Fev as a result of the incident in the goalsquare...

IF he took the ball off Judd and gave it to Fev as a free, then there would've been an injustice
there as the incident happened after Judds mark...

It's the way it should be - the the trangressor should pay after the first kick and not be let out of it on some weird technicality - common sense prevailed. It would be wrong if another interpretation of the rule negated the penalty, by robbing the first player of his shot on goal.

[am Bays]

Okay this is the applicable law:

12.4.1 Free Kick Awarded Before All Clear
Where a Free Kick is awarded to a Player immediately after the
football passes the Goal or Behind Line but before the field Umpire
signals “All Clear” or “Touched All Clear”, the following shall apply:

(a) Where the Player is in attack the field Umpire shall signal “All
Clear” or “Touched All Clear”, after which the goal Umpire
shall signal and record the score; and
the Free Kick shall then be taken where the infringement
occurred, or the position at which the football is brought
back into play, whichever is the greater penalty against
the offending Team.

Based on gadj1976's description the umpire appears to have awarded the freekick after the ball has passed the goal line but before all clear has been given (scuffle occurred - kick was taken whistle blew) The key point is when the free kick is awarded not when the infringement happened.

If the free kick was awarded when the ball was in flight but before it crossed the goal line the original goal would not have counted and the Fevola free kick (assuming he goaled it) would have been the only score.

The point of conjecture is had the ball crossed the goal line when he awarded the free kick? If it had the umpy is spot on. If the ball hadn't well under my rudimentary understanding of the laws he appears to have made a boo boo...

[am Bays]

No drama's with that one CP...move on

I watched it last night and from what I gathered Judd took the mark. As he was lining up for goal
Whelan got stuck into Fev, and a skirmish started in the goal square.

Judd kicked the goal, the umpire awarded the goal from the mark taken BEFORE the incident, he then
reported Whelan, and awarded a free kick to Fev as a result of the incident in the goalsquare...

IF he took the ball off Judd and gave it to Fev as a free, then there would've been an injustice
there as the incident happened after Judds mark...

Based on this description if the free kick was awarded before Judd took his kick it should have been given to Fevola or stayed with Judd whichever is of greater advantage to the team offended against.

[the joker]

the infridgement was after judd kicked his goal though

[am Bays]

the infridgement was after judd kicked his goal though

Sounds like he got it right then....

[JK]

the infridgement was after judd kicked his goal though

Yes and no ... The infringement occurred BEFORE Judd took his kick, but the umpire penalised it AFTER he'd kicked the goal ... I think the conjecture comes more from when the umpire should have penalised Whelan.

[Dirko]

At the end of the day the decision didn't cost anyone the game be it right or wrong.

IMO the Ump got it spot on, BUT he should of given Fev another one for Carol's stupid f**king haircut
and then given him another one for Brag Green being a complete and utter tool