Will the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment go ahead?

[Psyber]

The park lands are public property for the whole community, not for the 2 or 3% who go to football matches.
Of course the ACC should control them - it has a reasonably good record of preventing them being whittled away bit by bit for exclusive use by various minority interest groups.

Nearly chocked on my weeties on that quote ...
Ever heard of the North Adelaide Society aka Anne Moran and her mates?
Tennis courts and road closures to keep out the western suburbs scum readily come to mind.

I agree that the tennis courts issue is wrong too, if other local groups don't get similar rights to limited possession under reviewable licence, like other sporting groups can in public land in their own council area.
However, I think there was publicity some years ago about the clubs stretching their rights and getting away with it due to the lack of formal written protest to the council by other ACC ratepayers or the general public.

But it does seem fairly trivial compared to occasional pushes for using large slabs for things like car racing tracks and permanent large buildings like Grand Prix grandstands.
That's why I think we are better off with the ACC in charge than a state political party that may be prepared to chop the park lands up for the sake of winning the next election with no regard for the long term outcome.
Once slabs are permanently alienated for approved commercial use and car parking they will probably be never returned to open space again.
[And Adelaide really needs the trees to clean its air, much more so than Melbourne.]

[dedja]

In principle I agree with the notion of 'separation of powers', except that I don't have confidence in the council to uphold those virtues ... But I'm with you on your train of thought.

Don't have any answers for a better way either!

[CUTTERMAN]

I always had an open mind about it going ahead but hearing today that Demitriou and McLachlan(?) have been conspiring behind the back of the SANFL and both SA AFL clubs for the last 3 years makes me sick. I hope the SANFL make a VERY public statement, make Demitriou look like the toad he is and tell them both to shove it.
I don't know what's worse, a code turning on itself or state interests being betrayed.

[Reddeer]

Was never going to happen anyway!!!!
This latest revelation is just the nail in the coffin and will just give Rann and Co the excuse they had lately probably been wanting so as to scuttle the project. Wouldn't be surprised if McLaughlin was told to reveal the latest info as the catalyst

[Psyber]

I always had an open mind about it going ahead but hearing today that Demitriou and McLachlan(?) have been conspiring behind the back of the SANFL and both SA AFL clubs for the last 3 years makes me sick. I hope the SANFL make a VERY public statement, make Demitriou look like the toad he is and tell them both to shove it.
I don't know what's worse, a code turning on itself or state interests being betrayed.

State interests were betrayed when the VFL persuaded Pt Adelaide to try to join it behind everyone's back, and help create and prop up a Melbourne controlled "AFL" instead of an independent national body.
Why would we not expect the Melbourne Mafia to continue that pattern?

The Adelaide Oval plan never had legs - it was a political whip up to create a promise that was expected by its offering party to fall apart, due to the rivalries and history of the sports, and never actually have to be delivered. [Political parties like promises that fall over by themselves and leave them able to blame some one else for the failure to deliver anything but the votes at the election.]

Rann/Demetriou - another Axis of Evil!

[Barto]

I always had an open mind about it going ahead but hearing today that Demitriou and McLachlan(?) have been conspiring behind the back of the SANFL and both SA AFL clubs for the last 3 years makes me sick. I hope the SANFL make a VERY public statement, make Demitriou look like the toad he is and tell them both to shove it.
I don't know what's worse, a code turning on itself or state interests being betrayed.

State interests were betrayed when the VFL persuaded Pt Adelaide to try to join it behind everyone's back, and help create and prop up a Melbourne controlled "AFL" instead of an independent national body.
Why would we not expect the Melbourne Mafia to continue that pattern?

The Adelaide Oval plan never had legs - it was a political whip up to create a promise that was expected by its offering party to fall apart, due to the rivalries and history of the sports, and never actually have to be delivered. [Political parties like promises that fall over by themselves and leave them able to blame some one else for the failure to deliver anything but the votes at the election.]

Rann/Demetriou - another Axis of Evil!

It annoys me a bit reading Port supporters comments about "f*** the SANFL, let it die". They may as well be Victorians themselves.

[Booney]

Someone going behind the SANFL's back to get something done? Shock. Horror.

Perhaps the SACA and AFL should merely be accused of not sitting on their hands?

Said it before and I'll say it again. Nup, wont go ahead.

[JK]

One question I have regarding this, and either it's a case of having my wires crossed, or there's an answer to the question that Im unaware of.

Im sure I read once before, that even with the same attendances both clubs are pulling at the moment, they would be significantly better off financially at Adelaide Oval as opposed to Footy Park.

Now, if that is correct, then my question is - Why is the matchday expense so much higher at Footy Park than Adelaide Oval?

[Hondo]

I don't fully understand it either CP but they said on the radio the other night that SANFL and SACA sharing the ground maintenance/management costs at one ground instead of two currently produces a big saving. Leigh Whicker apparently used the term "economies of scale". Also, apparently even modest attendance estimates show an increase for both clubs at AO v AAMI. I gather it's about maximising the use of one stadium v using 2 stadiums half the time.

[Mr Beefy]

One question I have regarding this, and either it's a case of having my wires crossed, or there's an answer to the question that Im unaware of.

Im sure I read once before, that even with the same attendances both clubs are pulling at the moment, they would be significantly better off financially at Adelaide Oval as opposed to Footy Park.

Now, if that is correct, then my question is - Why is the matchday expense so much higher at Footy Park than Adelaide Oval?

I'm not sure about this - dont really have a clue to be honest - but I think read/heard that the expense isn't really the issue but the revenue will be greater for the clubs because, primarily, they have a "clean" stadium in which to sell their own advertising. I might be way off the mark but I've lost track where all this argy bargy is at.

[JK]

I can understand that if they boost attendance levels that naturally means greater revenue, I've just always wondered why AAMI seems to have a greater expense or cost base than Adelaide Oval (if in fact that is the case).

That seems to be a fair point you make about greater revenue opportunity Mr B.

[Psyber]

The only cost advantage to the clubs I can see in a move to AO is if there is some way of cutting the SANFL out of the deal between the clubs and the AFL.
I suspect the AFL and Port would both be interested in that, as neither seem to care about the survival of the SANFL clubs.
The state government's interest is in popular appeal and vote gathering for next election time.
And, they may expect to get some of their financial investment in that back out of the potential sale of the West Lakes land.

[james07]

The only cost advantage to the clubs I can see in a move to AO is if there is some way of cutting the SANFL out of the deal between the clubs and the AFL.
I suspect the AFL and Port would both be interested in that, as neither seem to care about the survival of the SANFL clubs.
The state government's interest is in popular appeal and vote gathering for next election time.
And, they may expect to get some of their financial investment in that back out of the potential sale of the West Lakes land.

This is simple and it always has been as stated economies of scale, one grounds manager, one set of admin one ground getting used year round instead of having a venue generating zero income for 6 months of the year, the Sanfl definately wont be missing out and they are the decision makers in this process so do you think they dont care about the other sanfl clubs, Port or the AFL dont get a say in this neither the crows. The Sanfl will be better off aswell because they can now use the surrounding land at Aami to sell or develop to generate additional income. The big issue for the Crows is they have the benefit that no other club has by having their facilities at their home ground where people can after the game go straight to their club and they get revenue from this.
The new adelaide oval will be fantastic full public transport, options to go for a meal or shopping before or after games, let the wife shop whilst you go to the footy, new facilities outside of the ground just like at telstra dome by a new developed stadium in adelaide it will create interest and excitement for a new generation of supporters and give football and cricket the income advantages it needs to compete against the other states.
And dont worry those who love Aami and wont go to Adelaide oval someone will take your seat.

[Psyber]

This is simple and it always has been as stated economies of scale, one grounds manager, one set of admin one ground getting used year round instead of having a venue generating zero income for 6 months of the year, the Sanfl definately wont be missing out and they are the decision makers in this process so do you think they dont care about the other sanfl clubs, Port or the AFL dont get a say in this neither the crows. The Sanfl will be better off aswell because they can now use the surrounding land at Aami to sell or develop to generate additional income. The big issue for the Crows is they have the benefit that no other club has by having their facilities at their home ground where people can after the game go straight to their club and they get revenue from this.
The new adelaide oval will be fantastic full public transport, options to go for a meal or shopping before or after games, let the wife shop whilst you go to the footy, new facilities outside of the ground just like at telstra dome by a new developed stadium in adelaide it will create interest and excitement for a new generation of supporters and give football and cricket the income advantages it needs to compete against the other states.
And dont worry those who love Aami and wont go to Adelaide oval someone will take your seat.

I haven't been following the details so I didn't know the proposed administrative arrangements myself, but if the management is structured as you say, and thus arranged so the same conflicts that led to the original establishment of AAMI don't recur, there could be advantages. My personal objection to the Adelaide Oval development has been that concern, my concern about traffic congestion between the CBD and North Adelaide being a problem, and my wondering why the AFL was so for it - they have to have a motive that is for their own gain, not altruistic.

[JK]

Thanks J07, I reckon that answers my question well ... At the end of the day, if it means more $$ to the Crows and Power, under the current structure of license ownership, it has to mean better health for the local SANFL clubs.

Therefore it looks to be Win, Win and Win, which will be a great result.

[ca]

Someone going behind the SANFL's back to get something done? Shock. Horror.

Perhaps the SACA and AFL should merely be accused of not sitting on their hands?

Said it before and I'll say it again. Nup, wont go ahead.

It's starting to look very promising now. Nothing but positives being spoken about.

[Wedgie]

I heard that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are also going to co-locate there.

[Gingernuts]

I heard that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are also going to co-locate there.

Wicked!!!! < fist pump >

[Psyber]

I heard that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are also going to co-locate there.

Where are they going to keep all those elves and the baby bunnies?
Think of the traffic chaos.

[mighty_tiger_79]

has there been any detail given about the potential venue membership deals??? to include all sports