SA Footy

Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game


And I don't support Brisbane

Booney wrote:B: Enright Scarlett Wanganeen
HB: Hodge (C) Rance McLeod
C: Ruccuito Voss Pendlebury
HF: Johnson Riewoldt Hird
F: Goodes Lloyd Franklin
R: Cox Judd Ablett
I: Mitchell Dangerfield Swan Pavlich
E: Black, Buckley, Brown, Tredrea Harvey

Out - Selwood and Johnson
In Ruccuito and Wanganeen

Lloyd with 3.43 goals per game must be ahead of Brown on 2.32 goals per game. I'd swap Lloyd for Brown.

I'd also have Swan in ahead of Harvey.

And if Brown gets the nod over Tredrea through weight of premierships then Tredrea bumps Richardson off the emergency list.

I think Ruccuito must be in there, I'll exchange him for Selwood.

I think Wanganeen should be in ahead of Johnson in the back pocket.

Tough ask for anyone and something as subjective as this is very difficult to agree on.

Booney wrote:And plenty of good sides who become great because of a champion playing at their very best. It's one of those variables.

morell wrote:

Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game


And I don't support Brisbane

You may very well, but I would suggest that is because of a few moments of gutsy efforts, a personal liking towards a personality type/playing style - rather than an overall body of work.

Dismiss what he did? What exactly did he do? His record is really not that impressive when you factor in the teams he played in and the roles that he had.

It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though

amber_fluid wrote:

morell wrote:

Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game


And I don't support Brisbane

You may very well, but I would suggest that is because of a few moments of gutsy efforts, a personal liking towards a personality type/playing style - rather than an overall body of work.

Dismiss what he did? What exactly did he do? His record is really not that impressive when you factor in the teams he played in and the roles that he had.

It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though

C'mon mate now we know you are taking the p*ss.
Not that impressive?

And Archer was limited?
C'mon man............

morell wrote:

amber_fluid wrote:

morell wrote:

Brodlach wrote:I think you have sold Johnathon Brown so short Morrell. In my 47 years of watching footy I rate him as one of the best players I have seen. Because he played up in Brisbane too many people dismiss what he did. If he played in SA or Victoria he would be lauded as a pure champion of the game


And I don't support Brisbane

You may very well, but I would suggest that is because of a few moments of gutsy efforts, a personal liking towards a personality type/playing style - rather than an overall body of work.

Dismiss what he did? What exactly did he do? His record is really not that impressive when you factor in the teams he played in and the roles that he had.

It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though

C'mon mate now we know you are taking the p*ss.
Not that impressive?

And Archer was limited?
C'mon man............

Not that impressive compared to the very elite, no.

Archer was limited! Great defender, courageous to a fault. Not very good skills and was dumb as a post.

Your post just confirms what I am saying. If a player is seen as tough and courageous and a "good bloke" we massively overrate their output as footballers.

morell wrote:It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though

Spargo wrote:

morell wrote:It's a bit like people frothing over Glen Archer - who was in all reality a limited footballer. Boy he was tough though

All Australian, AFL Hall of Fame inductee, 311 games for the most dominant team of the 90's, widely regarded as on of the most courageous players seen. All this as a limited footballer...

morell wrote:Pretty quiet in there.

My different ideas come from not growing up with AFL - I question all of our "known truths" and it makes people perplexed.

Brown takes a courageous gutsy mark and everyone gets all excited. But ultimately... it still just counts as one mark. If another player takes two standard contested marks that aren't as courageous. That player is better.

Same thing for Archer. He might do one incredibly tough spoil running back with the flight and break a rib. But if another player keeps his opposition goalless and gets 20 touches of quality for his team. That player is the better player.

We overrate courage when assessing players. In a nutshell.

amber_fluid wrote:

morell wrote:Pretty quiet in there.

My different ideas come from not growing up with AFL - I question all of our "known truths" and it makes people perplexed.

Brown takes a courageous gutsy mark and everyone gets all excited. But ultimately... it still just counts as one mark. If another player takes two standard contested marks that aren't as courageous. That player is better.

Same thing for Archer. He might do one incredibly tough spoil running back with the flight and break a rib. But if another player keeps his opposition goalless and gets 20 touches of quality for his team. That player is the better player.

We overrate courage when assessing players. In a nutshell.

High disposal count doesn't make you a great player.
Sure it helps but it's not everything.

Kane Cornes anyone?

morell wrote:

amber_fluid wrote:

morell wrote:Pretty quiet in there.

My different ideas come from not growing up with AFL - I question all of our "known truths" and it makes people perplexed.

Brown takes a courageous gutsy mark and everyone gets all excited. But ultimately... it still just counts as one mark. If another player takes two standard contested marks that aren't as courageous. That player is better.

Same thing for Archer. He might do one incredibly tough spoil running back with the flight and break a rib. But if another player keeps his opposition goalless and gets 20 touches of quality for his team. That player is the better player.

We overrate courage when assessing players. In a nutshell.

High disposal count doesn't make you a great player.
Sure it helps but it's not everything.

Kane Cornes anyone?

Oh I agree.

Being courageous doesn't make you a great player either.

To be clear. Glen Archer is a great player. I suspect ya'll are not picking up what I'm putting down.

Spargo wrote:Running back with the flight of the ball, courageous acts, gutsy marks...
Theses things LIFT your team mates around you. Because there isn't a stat for this, you want to gloss over it?

Spargo wrote:Running back with the flight of the ball, courageous acts, gutsy marks...
Theses things LIFT your team mates around you. Because there isn't a stat for this, you want to gloss over it?