Worst captain in the AFL

[Turbo]

Best captain on the field: Judd is just behind Kirk
Worst captain off the field: Judd is the clear winner

Mate that "off the field" comment is so far off the mark it's not funny.

Agreed.

[gossipgirl]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

[Turbo]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

[hearts on fire]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

It was a piece of sh1t post, thats why no one replied to it, except for you turbo

[Perfect Drug]

Cassisi led us in Hard ball gets and tackles last year.

I could have done that at Port last year......

Proabably couldn't have done it for Arno Bay's B grade so your comment is really just pointless and is so far off the mark it isn't even remotely funny.

My point was Port were considered to be very dissapointing in those areas in 2009. Dom was the best of a bad bunch in that dept....and indicates further that if they are his stengths as skipper he's lacking. Never going to be a game breaker, kick that important goal type captain. A first year rookie can chase and tackle, captains are meant to be elite.....

Sorry, not sure if this has been mentioned...

But who was it that kicked the final goal against the Cats at Shell Stadium in 2007 to put the Power back in front right before the final siren?


Edit: Ok It has been mentioned. RIGHTLY SO!!!!

[Perfect Drug]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

I don't know that I would generalise and say "lousy captain". Outstanding player, obvious skill leadership on field, and seems generally good guy.

But

To give an example, from what little we saw of the Fevola fiasco at the Brownlow, Judd seemed to be doing very little other than walking away from the situation rather than attempting to resolve it. He may have tried without us seeing, BUT, as captain of the club he should have GUARANTEED that Fevola was sent home much earlier than he was.

There's also the O'Hailpin and Cloke encounter. Surely wouldn't say Judd's fault but it didn't look good and I don't remember him being showing great leadership at that time. Once again perhaps he did behind closed doors, who knows.

[Swooper16]

Judd has also been accused of eye gouging, was on that booze cruise where the young Carlton player got blind and was the captain of the eagles during their infamous "party" period.

Obviously Judd shouldnt be held accountable for some / most of the actions of his teammates but it certainly doesnt reflect well on his leadership. I think you could certainly argue the point his leadership skills may not match up to his playing ability.

[gossipgirl]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

the off field dramas says it all, unfortunately these days being a captain is more than just onfield.

[CoverKing]

Judd has also been accused of eye gouging, was on that booze cruise where the young Carlton player got blind and was the captain of the eagles during their infamous "party" period.
Obviously Judd shouldnt be held accountable for some / most of the actions of his teammates but it certainly doesnt reflect well on his leadership. I think you could certainly argue the point his leadership skills may not match up to his playing ability.

Now i dont think Chris Judd is the best captain in the AFL and probably close to the worst OFF field captains (with very little knowledge), but bringing up the WCE stuff is a bit miss-guided IMO.

People often seem to forget that Chris Judd relunctantly took over from Ben Cousins when he and his team mates had already caused a great deal of problems within the club, and Chris Judd simply took over as captain, and i think in his time as captain, their off field behaviour as a club improved, although that was not a hard thing to do.

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

I don't know that I would generalise and say "lousy captain". Outstanding player, obvious skill leadership on field, and seems generally good guy.

But

To give an example, from what little we saw of the Fevola fiasco at the Brownlow, Judd seemed to be doing very little other than walking away from the situation rather than attempting to resolve it. He may have tried without us seeing, BUT, as captain of the club he should have GUARANTEED that Fevola was sent home much earlier than he was.

There's also the O'Hailpin and Cloke encounter. Surely wouldn't say Judd's fault but it didn't look good and I don't remember him being showing great leadership at that time. Once again perhaps he did behind closed doors, who knows.

And from what i've heard, from a very very close source, that most of the Carlton players didnt give a sh*t about Cloke being kicked or hit, and was described to me as simply "a terrible person". Most, and very close to all, did not want him at the club, and were happy to see him leave/delisted at the end of last year.

[Dirko]

the off field dramas says it all, unfortunately these days being a captain is more than just onfield.

Let me guess...it's Judds fault, Bingle has nude photo's floating around

Can you tell me what "off field dramas" Judd was at and what the "drama" was and how it was resolved with him being part of the leadership group ?

Talk about a ******* mob of drama queens

And why don't you find out who sealed the multi million dollar sponsorship with Mars. Yeah he lacked leadership there.....

[Turbo]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

the off field dramas says it all, unfortunately these days being a captain is more than just onfield.

So on that basis the captain is responsible for any incident within his club. Gee there must be some crap captains around then

[gadj1976]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

the off field dramas says it all, unfortunately these days being a captain is more than just onfield.

So by that logic, Ling is off to a shocker.

[McAlmanac]

And why don't you find out who sealed the multi million dollar sponsorship with Mars. Yeah he lacked leadership there.....

He may have got the job done there, but he has been a fairly reluctant captain at two clubs and you get the feeling that Judd is captain for marketing reasons more than anything (who else did Carlton have?). Not a knock on any leadership ability, just a victim of circumstance.

[Barto]

Seriously, Judd is a shocking captain.

Who was getting liquored up with a bloke who cant handle his booze at 2pm the day of the Brownlow Medal? Judd escapes a lot of criticism because of his playing ability, you cant question his own footballing prowess and application on the training track but he's not a very good leader. Even his on field leadership is questionable, I cant recall seeing him talking to blokes and giving them guidance on field and his idiocy with the eye gouging incident and the way he treated it as a joke is starting to open people's eyes.

This is the bloke who said that footballers shouldn't be role models. Certainly there's arguments for and against but there's no question that a leader should be.

[Booney]

Carlton fans will defend him but they surely must see that the Brownlow/Fevola incident should have been dealt with better than it was and the best person to do it would have been Judd. The footage of Fev giving Judd the "pressure point" and Judd laughing and just moving away showed Judds lack of leadership. He knew at the time something wasn't right and he did nothing about it.

On-field he does appear to be quiet and lead by example which may just be his way and as I mentioend earlier not all skippers do their job the same way.

You can add the Boat Trip booze up to his list of should-have-done-that better.

[Psyber]

I agree Booney..

[gossipgirl]

the off field dramas says it all, unfortunately these days being a captain is more than just onfield.

Let me guess...it's Judds fault, Bingle has nude photo's floating around

Can you tell me what "off field dramas" Judd was at and what the "drama" was and how it was resolved with him being part of the leadership group ?

Talk about a ******* mob of drama queens

And why don't you find out who sealed the multi million dollar sponsorship with Mars. Yeah he lacked leadership there.....

unless you have been in siberia the last few years its really not that hard to understand

[Barto]

Carlton fans will defend him but they surely must see that the Brownlow/Fevola incident should have been dealt with better than it was and the best person to do it would have been Judd. The footage of Fev giving Judd the "pressure point" and Judd laughing and just moving away showed Judds lack of leadership. He knew at the time something wasn't right and he did nothing about it.

On-field he does appear to be quiet and lead by example which may just be his way and as I mentioend earlier not all skippers do their job the same way.

You can add the Boat Trip booze up to his list of should-have-done-that better.

This is an excellent point. Compare him with a bloke like Pavlich who you see pointing and verbalising with his team mates off the ball, does Judd do any of that? Perhaps it happens off camera but I've never personally seen it.

At some point, some one must have thought the shenanigans on the boat trip were a bad idea. If only one person came to that conclusion you'd think it would be the captain.

All of this doesn't make him a bad person but he's not a good leader.

[gossipgirl]

Carlton fans will defend him but they surely must see that the Brownlow/Fevola incident should have been dealt with better than it was and the best person to do it would have been Judd. The footage of Fev giving Judd the "pressure point" and Judd laughing and just moving away showed Judds lack of leadership. He knew at the time something wasn't right and he did nothing about it.

On-field he does appear to be quiet and lead by example which may just be his way and as I mentioend earlier not all skippers do their job the same way.

You can add the Boat Trip booze up to his list of should-have-done-that better.

This is an excellent point. Compare him with a bloke like Pavlich who you see pointing and verbalising with his team mates off the ball, does Judd do any of that? Perhaps it happens off camera but I've never personally seen it.

At some point, some one must have thought the shenanigans on the boat trip were a bad idea. If only one person came to that conclusion you'd think it would be the captain.

All of this doesn't make him a bad person but he's not a good leader.

you are exactly right

[Turbo]

Pretty easy it would have to be Judd. Great player but at this stage has been a lousy captain

Please explain

the off field dramas says it all, unfortunately these days being a captain is more than just onfield.

So by that logic, Ling is off to a shocker.

Yeah I reckon