Chris Judd says he wants to go to Carlton

[Psyber]

i was just wondering how does every one know how much carlton are paying Chris Judd. seen as though they never release a players wage. so all this talk of 1/6th of the salary cap.
HOW DO YOU KNOW????

Very good post as it is all speculation as to what he will get and what he has been offered !!!

Every one also thinks they know what he could command and once again that is probably mostly speculation but probably the closest to the $$$ amount !!!

He did mention in his press conference when leaving West Coast he would take less than market value to stay with West Coast if they were the East Coast Eagles !!!

So many speculations but I would embrace him coming to my football club as he is the best footballer in the league - IMO !!!

Well then, the Illeagles can relocate to Melbourne and perhaps the Kangas or Collingwood could be sent to WA.

[gadj1976]

Latest from the Australian

Blues to lock out Eagles for Judd Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Greg Denham, Australian Football | October 05, 2007
CARLTON has masterminded a potential deal that could secure former West Coast captain Chris Judd.

The deal would work even if the Blues cannot strike a satisfactory trade deal with the Eagles.

The Australian yesterday learned of the plan to involve a third club -- Richmond -- which would provide win-win situations for both Carlton and the Tigers but would freeze out the Eagles, who could end up with nothing in compensation for losing their 2004 Brownlow medallist.

Carlton and West Coast were still in deadlock yesterday over a trade that would satisfy the Eagles and allow for a smooth transition for Judd to cross next week to Carlton, the club of his choice.

Should that stand-off continue, it is understood that the Blues will attempt to involve Richmond in a perfectly legal trade strategy, but one which could be perceived to be outside the spirit of the game.

The deal would involve Carlton swapping pick No3 for selection No18, Richmond's bonus second draft selection as a result of it finishing last this year with fewer than four wins.

The deal would probably also involve a fringe Richmond player being traded to the Blues.

In return, Richmond would bypass Judd in the pre-season draft in December where it has the first selection. The Blues would then be able to secure the Eagles premiership captain with the second pick.

That scenario would mean Carlton, in effect, gives up its second national draft selection for Judd and does not have to lose Josh Kennedy or its third selection (No20) to the Eagles.

"This is an absolute realistic proposition," a Carlton source said yesterday.

The benefit for Richmond if it agrees to the proposal is that the Tigers would end up with the second and third selections in the national draft and still retain their first pick of another uncontracted player in the pre-season draft.

While Richmond football director Greg Miller is not yet officially in the loop, the Carlton deal would have appeal as the Tigers are only a remote chance of either trading directly for Judd or getting him in the pre-season draft. The Tigers have not completely closed the door on Judd, but Miller last week told The Australian that he would be too expensive, even though Richmond has room in its salary cap.

Because Carlton has already reserved its priority draft pick for teenage Northern Knights ruckman Matthew Kreuzer, the Tigers, who are pinning their faith on a youth policy, would then have the choice of the next two best kids in the country.

Carlton's firm stance on retaining the No1 pick has created a verbal slanging match with the Eagles, and the war of words continued yesterday.

West Coast chief executive Trevor Nisbett threatened not to deal with the Blues.

"If they don't hand over the No1 selection, then he's not at Carlton, simple as that," Nisbett said. "That's the way it's been all the time.

"Hopefully (chief executive) Greg Swann and (general manager of football operations) Steven Icke can come to their senses, otherwise it is not going to happen. I find it staggering that Carlton doesn't think Chris Judd is worth the first pick in the draft."

The groundwork in attempting a satisfactory trade is being done by Icke and his West Coast counterpart Steve Woodhouse, who were both in Canberra yesterday at the draft camp.

Swann, who was told by club president Richard Pratt on Tuesday to follow the deal through after Judd picked the Blues, yesterday did not deny that Richmond could be involved in the Blues' bid to secure Judd.

"There's a lot of water to go under the bridge before we can say he's our player, but we're confident we can do the deal," Swann said on Tuesday.

Even before Carlton was nominated as Judd's top choice, the Blues took the initiative and offered the Eagles pick No3 and 20-year-old West Australian Kennedy, who has played 22 games in two years since he was the fourth player selected in the 2005 national draft. But it is understood that Kennedy is not keen to return to Perth.

While Carlton's proposal to involve Richmond will be scrutinised by the AFL, it does not break any league rules.

[Pup]

The old Veale deal trick.

What a joke, obviously WCE arent going to get market value but at least give the club something worth while. This is the best player in the comp

If i was WCE i would be doing exactly the same thing asking Richmond to trade a player and pick 2 for our second round pick and let Judd slide to them in the PSD. Also let them have Mitch Morton ( Believed has asked for a trade to the tigers ) for a 5th rounder. Then we will see how Carlton can counter that.

Trade and Draft rules really need to be looked at IMO.

[Hondo]

Common sense needs to prevail here. WCE prob need to accept the situation and take what they can - not ideal but the last few years have shown that established players just don't get what they used to in trade week. Even Chris Judd cannot command the no 1 pick these days.

Conversely, Carlton should work within the spirit of the game and not rip WCE off.

WCE are just not in the box seat with Judd like thought they might be. In fact, clearly they are exposed to getting nothing for him so time to swallow the pride a bit maybe.

Agree with Pup - this process is badly flawed I think the rules need to be tightened to provide compensation for clubs that lose players for nothing because other clubs find creative ways to work the 2 drafts. WCE should be able to be sure they will at least get something for the league's best player.

This shows just how valuable it is to secure early picks in the national and pre-season drafts.

[Hondo]

Its the pre-season draft that seems to be compromising trade week. Teams know they have a second avenue to get players for nothing and so refuse to trade for players they want.

Maybe the PSD is where a review of the trading process needs to start. But IMO there also needs to be fixed compensation for clubs that lose players for nothing as I said before.

[Dirko]

Its the pre-season draft that seems to be compromising trade week. Teams know they have a second avenue to get players for nothing and so refuse to trade for players they want.

Maybe the PSD is where a review of the trading process needs to start. But IMO there also needs to be fixed compensation for clubs that lose players for nothing as I said before.

Agreed Hondo. Carlton have said pick one is no go. Understandable too. WCE need to accept that fact. If WCE stonewall the Nick Stevens thing will rear it's head and Richmond may swoop, although have read that their Salary Cap is now where as free as Carlton's. WCE also have to accept it's getting rid of a bloke that is carrying a injury

[Punk Rooster]

My take (an outsider with no vested interest)-
Carlton have offered WCE Pick 3 & 20, + Josh Kennedy: Fair
WCE demanding Pick 1 & being inflexible: Arrogant
Carlton threatening to backdoor WCE by dealing with Richmond: Justified through the arrogance of WCE.

I hate Carlton like poison, yet believe they are trying to do the right thing- their offer is fair.
WCE, as Operator Please sing: "You don't always get what you want"

[Dirko]

My take (an outsider with no vested interest)-
Carlton have offered WCE Pick 3 & 20, + Josh Kennedy: Fair
WCE demanding Pick 1 & being inflexible: Arrogant
Carlton threatening to backdoor WCE by dealing with Richmond: Justified through the arrogance of WCE.

I hate Carlton like poison, yet believe they are trying to do the right thing- their offer is fair.
WCE, as Operator Please sing: "You don't always get what you want"

A Collingwood man, sticking up for Carlton...
I knew I liked ya Punky !!!

[Hondo]

Matthew Kruezer (sp?) is a gun from all reports

Carlton don't want to miss out on him, WCE want him as compensation for Judd

= impasse

Agree with SJABC & Punky - WCE look to be the team that needs to compromise here or they'll get zippo

[Pup]

My take (an outsider with no vested interest)-
Carlton have offered WCE Pick 3 & 20, + Josh Kennedy: Fair
WCE demanding Pick 1 & being inflexible: Arrogant
Carlton threatening to backdoor WCE by dealing with Richmond: Justified through the arrogance of WCE.

I hate Carlton like poison, yet believe they are trying to do the right thing- their offer is fair.
WCE, as Operator Please sing: "You don't always get what you want"

Its arguable, while i agree we have to compromise some what, Pick 3 is not a certainty, 20 in this draft is very very hit and miss, and a player who Carlton fans pump up but i really dont rate. Just because he is from WA doesnt mean he should be part of the trade, offer WCE a established player in the mould of Simpson or Carazzo and co and the deal might get done. You cant offer players on potential. Its like WCE offering pick 4, 21 and Mitch Morton for Jimmy Bartel.

I agree with the stance the club is taking at leats until trade week starts, this is our first brownlow medalist, a premiership captain, norm smith medalist and b and f winner at the age of 24. He will be just as good if not better. His injury is not going to be a problem with very positive signs from the surgery. While i agree that WCE wont get market value they need something reasonable.

Dont rule out Colllingwood or Essendon just yet either, I wonder if the club could strike a deal with the Pies would Judd play there? I think so. Will have to wait and see. Interesting week ahead.

[Punk Rooster]

Dont rule out Colllingwood or Essendon just yet either, I wonder if the club could strike a deal with the Pies would Judd play there? I think so. Will have to wait and see. Interesting week ahead.

I reckon Judd would go to Collingwood, if the deal could be negotiated.

Also, I didn't say the Carlton offer was rewarding, but fair- bit like compusory acquisition...

[finn]

judd is worth a #1 pick - universally agreed to be the best footballer in the land and he's got the runs on the board - potential is funny - fraser had potential and hasn't lived up to it, has fiora lived up to his #3 status etc - who's to say kreuzer will?

I believe that west coast are fair asking for #1 and #20 and a player and that carlton are being overtly businesslike. There's always a fair chance that kreuzer will succumb to the go home factor anyway 2 years down the track.

I believe that the pre-season draft is a joke and one that can be manipulated. In this case, perhaps a system where out of contract player trades in cases where players have nominated a preferred club have to be negotiated early in trade week could be implemented; if they're not done then the players are able to be traded to other clubs (best offer reliant upon player's agreement - if not into draft) could alleviate the mess that's bound to happen with west coast and carlton outbluffing each other and every other club waiting on the outcome.

i can see problems with the above (eg what happens if the nominated club has the first pick in the draft) but the fact that one mega trade holds up all the clubs is just silly.

[Dirko]

Judd probably is worth a #1. But with Carlton having draft sanctions imposed a few years ago would be loath to give it away.
It will be interesting, to see what happens, and i think a few clubs WILL be checking out salary issues leading up to the draft...

[gadj1976]

What's to stop Richmond, fresh from dealing with Carlton, now armed with pick 2 & 3 undermining Carlton and getting Judd? I'm sure, in this situation, WCE would be better dealing with Richmond with picks 2 & 3, rather than Carlton with 1, 18 & 20 AND having no other option than to let him walk into the PSD.

I can see it backfiring big time - and in Richmonds' favour.

Also, there is talk about Carlton playing hard ball, it often comes back to haunt clubs at the negotiating table. If Carlton play hardball now, WCE may be in a position to play hard ball down the line, and with a player like Judd, it wont be forgotten about quickly nor easily.

[Punk Rooster]

I thought the #1 pick was not tradeable?
Am I wrong?

[the joker]

What's to stop Richmond, fresh from dealing with Carlton, now armed with pick 2 & 3 undermining Carlton and getting Judd? I'm sure, in this situation, WCE would be better dealing with Richmond with picks 2 & 3, rather than Carlton with 1, 18 & 20 AND having no other option than to let him walk into the PSD.

I can see it backfiring big time - and in Richmonds' favour.

Also, there is talk about Carlton playing hard ball, it often comes back to haunt clubs at the negotiating table. If Carlton play hardball now, WCE may be in a position to play hard ball down the line, and with a player like Judd, it wont be forgotten about quickly nor easily.

Chris Judd has to agree with the trade aggreements aswell. was different a few years ago. the trade between Crows and Freo in 94 for chris groom to freo and Mcleod to the crows. Chris Groom was in englandwith his crows teammates got a phonecall saying your now a Docker. would have been weird talking to your (ex) team mates after that

[the joker]

I thought the #1 pick was not tradeable?
Am I wrong?

Nah you can trade it. but carlton said they wont trade it

[sydney-dog]

As reported in the Australian (sneaky sneaky)

CARLTON has masterminded a potential deal that could secure former West Coast captain Chris Judd.

The deal would work even if the Blues cannot strike a satisfactory trade deal with the Eagles.

The Australian yesterday learned of the plan to involve a third club -- Richmond -- which would provide win-win situations for both Carlton and the Tigers but would freeze out the Eagles, who could end up with nothing in compensation for losing their 2004 Brownlow medallist.

Carlton and West Coast were still in deadlock yesterday over a trade that would satisfy the Eagles and allow for a smooth transition for Judd to cross next week to Carlton, the club of his choice.

Should that stand-off continue, it is understood that the Blues will attempt to involve Richmond in a perfectly legal trade strategy, but one which could be perceived to be outside the spirit of the game.

The deal would involve Carlton swapping pick No3 for selection No18, Richmond's bonus second draft selection as a result of it finishing last this year with fewer than four wins.

The deal would probably also involve a fringe Richmond player being traded to the Blues.

In return, Richmond would bypass Judd in the pre-season draft in December where it has the first selection. The Blues would then be able to secure the Eagles premiership captain with the second pick.

That scenario would mean Carlton, in effect, gives up its second national draft selection for Judd and does not have to lose Josh Kennedy or its third selection (No20) to the Eagles.

"This is an absolute realistic proposition," a Carlton source said yesterday.

[Pup]

That was already quoted at the top of the page SD

Surely if that deal did happen, the AFL would have to step in? that must be classified as draft tampering...

[sydney-dog]

my apology, missed it