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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby silicone skyline » Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:35 pm

Yup.
But getting sick of morons questioning it, when it's so close to the mark it's ridiculous.
But yes.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Psyber » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:23 pm

I tend to support the Power as my second AFL team after the Crows, because they are the second SA team. If another SA team entered the competition the Power would probably slide down to third on my list, because of the Magpie connction. Any attempt to link them with the SANFL team Port Adelaide tends to reduce my impulse to support them.

I suspect that, as others have suggested, this effect may be a factor in the sliding support for the Power in SA. While they were a new second SA side, and not linked heavily to the Magpies supporters of other SANFL teams could find it easier to accept and support them. The more they emphasise the SANFL lineage, the less palatable to non-Magpie supporters they become.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Sheik Yerbouti » Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:55 pm

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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby silicone skyline » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:01 pm

Sheik Yerbouti?? Lol
Now that is cool.
That actually made me chuckle for a bit.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Macca19 » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:47 pm

1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:FWIW I hope they stay myopically attached to the past - one of the great sounds of winter is listening to Port supporters moan/winge about losing/umpires/the opposition/the ground etc when they do lose :lol: :lol:

pretty soon all they have will be to be proud of the past because if they cling to the black and white the future wont be too confident


So wearing a guernsey that our club wore in the 1970s in a 1970s themed heritage round that the AFL insist on having is being too attached to the past? Interesting theory.

So what do you suggest we should wear this week then? Do keep in mind that the club got fined last year for not participating in Heritage Round. Do we do that again and get fined again and lose out on merchandise sales? Why should we not participate in Heritage round when we have a history?

Its all well and good for Josh and Roger to say what they say. But its completely wrong. From my point of view, if anybody gets 'put off' from Port Adelaide wearing a Port Adelaide guernsey then they shouldnt be supporting us anyway. Do we want those sort of supporters? Why would anybody support a club only to get their nose up when the club wears a guernsey that celebrates their heritage in heritage round? That is our heritage. We are Port Adelaide. That is where we came from. That is where our heritage is. If certain people dont like that then they can f**k off and support someone else.

So what does the club do then? Does it wear the prison bars and celebrate what is rightfully theirs during a themed round the AFL insist on having? Do they risk putting the 0.05% of our supporter base off side by doing it? Or do they completely turn their backs on the old Port Adelaide Magpies heritage and risk putting off side a much much larger percentage than that?

Sure, we need to attract more supporters. Sure we need to get kids on board. But whats smarter? Going after kids who already support the Crows/who their parents support? How many minds are realisitically gonna be changed? Or do we go after the kids/teens that DO support us, and make sure that they go ahead and buy a membership in the future? Do we go after the adults that have dropped off in the past 5 years and figure out ways how to get them back to the football?

We disregard our heritage and who we are and we become a faceless football club that will go under very quickly.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Macca19 » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:53 pm

hondo71 wrote:[We were all assured that PAM had enough support for it's own AFL side but it seems the 6 year head start by the 'Team for all South Australians :wink:' took more supporters out the equation than they predicted.


I ahve plenty to say about that but dont really want to go over old ground.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Dogwatcher » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:53 pm

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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Dogwatcher » Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:57 pm

silicone skyline wrote:Sheik Yerbouti?? Lol
Now that is cool.
That actually made me chuckle for a bit.


Hey Sheik - imagine how much SS would chuckle if he listened to the actual album???
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Booney » Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:09 pm

silicone skyline wrote:
Booney wrote:
Am I missing something? Where is it exactly that Port Adelaide lay claim to being the "Team for all South Australian's"? The inaccuracy is quite amusing.

Your ill-informed poorly thought out comment gives it no crdibility whatsoever.

Perhaps this week is all about heritage,one which you do not choose to recognise,but one that exists none the less.


Yeah, how about you read about the past players opinions and take some "thought" from them?
What i said was on the money Booney, so you can play hide and go f##k yourself.
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Ill-informed?
I think you are the one who is ignorant.


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On another thing,how dare I question you.Welcome to the site BTW,and I will ensure I PM you on every occasion I choose to 'have an opinion'.If you do not agree with it,or even choose to use some one else's thoughts to counter attack my argument,I will allow you to do so.This will hold you extremely highly in my books.I thankyou for this.

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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby GWW » Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:00 pm

Barto wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:Magpies strip bad for Power - the Advertiser 05/07/2007

These former stars (who helped create Port Powers own traditions) make some interesting observations about the club attracting long term support...

I.e. distance itself from its magpie heritage....

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22019523-21545,00.html




"Of the coaching clinics we do, we estimate that there would be an 80-20 supporter split for the Crows ahead of the Power - and that's worrying," Francou, who played 156 games for Port from 1997-2006 and was runner-up for the Brownlow Medal in 2002, said.


That's an interesting comment. I would have guessed 70-30. Augurs badly for Port if that's the case.

In WA the split is more 60-40 and that's for an unsuccessful club like Freo who have a membership base of 43K. Yet a recent premiership club in Port is battling for numbers.


How about the fact that a quarter of the traditional WAFL clubs (ie excluding Peel Thunder) have Fremantle in their name?
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Barto » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:40 am

GWW wrote:
Barto wrote:
1980 Tassie Medalist wrote:Magpies strip bad for Power - the Advertiser 05/07/2007

These former stars (who helped create Port Powers own traditions) make some interesting observations about the club attracting long term support...

I.e. distance itself from its magpie heritage....

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22019523-21545,00.html




"Of the coaching clinics we do, we estimate that there would be an 80-20 supporter split for the Crows ahead of the Power - and that's worrying," Francou, who played 156 games for Port from 1997-2006 and was runner-up for the Brownlow Medal in 2002, said.


That's an interesting comment. I would have guessed 70-30. Augurs badly for Port if that's the case.

In WA the split is more 60-40 and that's for an unsuccessful club like Freo who have a membership base of 43K. Yet a recent premiership club in Port is battling for numbers.


How about the fact that a quarter of the traditional WAFL clubs (ie excluding Peel Thunder) have Fremantle in their name?


There's more non Easts and Souths fans onboard than there are non-Port at the Power. The fact that it really is a new club and doesn't lay claim to the heritage of either, increases the Dockers appeal. You'll find it also has a lot to do with people who were anti-Eagles. There is a different feeling here than there was in SA.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Sheik Yerbouti » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:54 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
silicone skyline wrote:Sheik Yerbouti?? Lol
Now that is cool.
That actually made me chuckle for a bit.


Hey Sheik - imagine how much SS would chuckle if he listened to the actual album???


Was considering Dynamo Hum as a username originally.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Booney » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:42 am

silicone skyline wrote:Yup.
But getting sick of morons questioning it, when it's so close to the mark it's ridiculous.
But yes.
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Also,calling some one a moron,more so some one you have never,probably will never meet or ever know is a little OTT.But hey,you're the one doing the name calling.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby silicone skyline » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:14 am

You have to be a teacher or an accountant, seriously.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Hondo » Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:49 am

If you take the heritage out of PAP then you are left with nothing more than a second composite side with no connection to anything - surely that's a bleaker scenario for the club in Crow-town than honouring the PAM tradition when it comes to attracting new supporters?

That's one of the main criticisms levelled at the Crows ... no real heritage ... among a host of others :)

Finally, I wonder how much these issues faced by PAP today can be linked to negative consequences from the failed bid to leave the SANFL in 1990. Or did current non-PAP supporters all hate PAM before then anyway? Even if we did hate them before then, the 1990 episode didn't exactly endear them to our hearts any further.

Freo in the west seem to have a bigger base with the Dockers seeminingly representing a couple of WAFL clubs based in that area.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby silicone skyline » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:40 am

I went to that game, was it in 95 or 96, when PAM played Freo at Football Park.
Freo smashed them.
But yeah, you're right about Freo's stance, their support is great, just need to change their song.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Barto » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:54 pm

hondo71 wrote:If you take the heritage out of PAP then you are left with nothing more than a second composite side with no connection to anything - surely that's a bleaker scenario for the club in Crow-town than honouring the PAM tradition when it comes to attracting new supporters?

That's one of the main criticisms levelled at the Crows ... no real heritage ... among a host of others :)

Finally, I wonder how much these issues faced by PAP today can be linked to negative consequences from the failed bid to leave the SANFL in 1990. Or did current non-PAP supporters all hate PAM before then anyway? Even if we did hate them before then, the 1990 episode didn't exactly endear them to our hearts any further.

Freo in the west seem to have a bigger base with the Dockers seeminingly representing a couple of WAFL clubs based in that area.



I can keep repeating it but Freo have more in common with the Eagles and Crows being a composite club. They get that club feel because they have an actual suburban base. For a few years the actual Freo people didn't accept them because it was mainly Claremont* involved. It's only really heritage round which has seen them become more representative of the two clubs. It would have been tough for Easts and Souths to combine rather than form a new entity, imagine Port and Norwood submitting a joint entry for the second licence back in the 90s and their supporters standing side by side.

*Just like some people referred to the Crows as the "Glenelg Crows" for the first couple of years. I still hear smart arses calling them the Claremont Dockers.
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Dirko » Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:52 pm

I'm just glad Carlton are wearing a.....Carlton guernsey !
Heritage round is a crock if SH#T and should go away...
Just about all the Vic clubs are wearing the same jumpers now as they did
in the 70's with maybe a few subtle changes...
If PAP's embrace the PAM's heritage or whatever good luck to them...
The round is nothing but a marketing tool for the AFL to try and make more money.
YET, Port can't sell duplicates of the jumper due to issues with the AFL/Collingwood.
What a farce...
The Crows / Wect Coast & Fremantle have no history from the 70's.
Brisbane & Sydney can roll out the Fitzroy & South's stuff...
If Carlton could play like the GF team from 79 then I'd be happy for them to wear the replica ! :D
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Hondo » Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:02 pm

sjab wrote:Heritage round is a crock if SH#T and should go away...
Just about all the Vic clubs are wearing the same jumpers now as they did
in the 70's with maybe a few subtle changes...
The round is nothing but a marketing tool for the AFL to try and make more money.


I think I am coming to the same conclusion TBH - maybe the SANFL have it better sorted in that clubs can choose to to a heritage guernsey (or not) during a round chosen by them. Rather than forcing all clubs to do it at once. No-one has mentioned the Crows guernsey yet - they are wearing the same one as last year and, while it looks good, has no connection with the 70s.

Maybe time to ditch the concept - like someone said it's 'jumped the shark' :D
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Re: Port Adelaide Heritage Round Guernsey

Postby Booney » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:56 am

silicone skyline wrote:You have to be a teacher or an accountant, seriously.


Neither,I dare not guess what you do for an occupation.
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