Victoria-centric Crapola Again..

[am Bays]

Look how the Victorians jump on their fellow-Victorian team bandwagons if they are playing a non-Victorian team in a final

I wouldn't go too far with that Hondo, living over here I would say as many Victorians' would like to see their arch enemies beaten before the crows or power are. The bloke whose office is next to mine hates Essendon with a passion and Carlton too for that matter. Other Carlton supporters I know will never support Collingwood in a fit.

Certainly the Crows aren't popular over here but for at least half the population there isn't the deep seated hatred of Adelaide compared to Carlton/Collingwood/Essendon.

In the same way I hate Port Adelaide, many Victorian's hate their arch rivals.

I can say their is a big push over here to even up the comp in respect to of field resources, 2nds cometitions access to Rookies etc. It has been doninating the media here for the past two weeks.

[Hondo]

Look how the Victorians jump on their fellow-Victorian team bandwagons if they are playing a non-Victorian team in a final

I wouldn't go too far with that Hondo, living over here I would say as many Victorians' would like to see their arch enemies beaten before the crows or power are. The bloke whose office is next to mine hates Essendon with a passion and Carlton too for that matter. Other Carlton supporters I know will never support Collingwood in a fit.

Certainly the Crows aren't popular over here but for at least half the population there isn't the deep seated hatred of Adelaide compared to Carlton/Collingwood/Essendon.

In the same way I hate Port Adelaide

Yes, I am the same in that the only team I don't mind Port beating are Collingwood.

I was referring to the "call to arms" that seems to go out in Melbourne when a Victorian side plays a non-Victorian side in a final

TBH, I think Dutchy was over-playing the issue of Crows and Power supporters happilly barracking for the other when they play a Victorian side. I don't know too many supporters like that.

I guess in both cases it's the group of supporters who aren't super-passionate about their team that maybe revert back to State-based support, or the 100%-parochial state types of which there a few. Cue KG?????

[Benchwarmer]

No hondo, that's more a WA thing. Mind you, the West Coast supporters still have the "poor little retarded brother" view of the Dockers. They laugh when the Dockers get beaten by a Carlton or a Kangaroos but are impressed when they beat a top-four side easily ... especially if it makes the Eagles chances of a top-two or four finals berth more of a certainty.

[Dissident]

What im Saying is teams are based in a state, they do not represent their state...I get sick of the 5aa crap that listeners go on about "if the Crows arent playing I want the other SA team to win"....IMagine how boring this state would be if we all loved the SA teams....what if these people lived in Melbourne? would they have 10 teams each weekend?

Well really, people are represented by who they want to be represented by.

If someone wants Port to win if the Crows aren't playing, or vice versa (which I wouldn't), that's up to them because to them, they represent South Australia.

[Dissident]

One thing I don't understand....


How, in a national competition, you can have interstate clubs?

[Dutchy]

Say Port power get relocated to Darwin would SA people still want them to win?

Clubs do not represent states...simple....thats why State of orgin is so improtant to bring back....

[Benchwarmer]

Dissident

It is the "former VFL" mentality. These new teams are from the other states so they must be interstaters. Included in their arguments would be the fact that "the interstaters" were a vast majority (2 in 1987) and still is the case (6 since 1997) but only just. I was guilty of doing it too for a while.

Nonetheless it's a view as outdated nowadays as horsedrawn carriages for transport, steam trains and Victorian premiership sides!

[Benchwarmer]

Dutchy

I moved from 10-team Victoria to two-team WA just before Round 20 last season and I see it as people saying "I'd rather see a team based in SA win the flag" if their own side misses out.

Up until around 1990, Melbourne was highly tribal in nature because of the Victorian predominance in the VFL - if their side wasn't in the GF they'd say I would like to see such and such win, but they would never think of actively cheering them on. Now they do.

The old tribalism still exists nowadays until the finals, when there are 2 Vic sides and 6 from outside of Vic in the finals. Then the Melbourne media whips up a shedload of Vic patriotic fervour and people are expected to nail their Vic colours to the wall and pick a Vic side to beat the "interstate invaders".

It's all bollocks in my opinion. I'd rather see Brisbane (yuk) beat the Collingwood scum by 135 points in a final than follow those buffoons. The best team deserves the flag, not the best Vic side.

[Dissident]

Say Port power get relocated to Darwin would SA people still want them to win?

Clubs do not represent states...simple....thats why State of orgin is so improtant to bring back....

I know what you're saying mate
But representation is subjective.

To you, clubs don't represent states. To other people, it does. They aren't wrong - if they feel represented, they are!

No, I don't like it either.

[Hondo]

Say Port power get relocated to Darwin would SA people still want them to win?

Clubs do not represent states...simple....thats why State of orgin is so improtant to bring back....

Dutchy I know what you are trying to say but I think you are over-simplifying it:

- Crows and Power play their 'home' games in Adelaide
- they have 'Adelaide' as part of their official name
- their AFL licences are owned by the SANFL
- majority of their players are South Australian
- an official SA State-of-Origin side would be made up mostly by players from Crows and Power
- they are the only South Australian-based sides playing in the AFL

So I agree they aren't State-Of-Origin sides but there's a strong argument that they represent SA in the AFL, which is why some people adopt them as 'South Australian'. This may not be technically correct, but as Diss says it's about the emotion and connection people feel for the team which often overrides the fact of where the players might come from.

It's different in Melbourne but that's because of the expanded-VFL roots in the AFL and so easier for them to retain the tribal-club views, as per Benchwarmer's post. But they do seem to fly the Victorian flag when it suits them in finals as Benchwarmer says.

I agree State-of-Origin must come back BTW

[Coorong]

Some very brief cooments on Hungries show today, complaining about the reveniew by Crows, Freo and Weagles, compared to the poorer Vic. clubs. Suggestion was made, perhaps all clubs profits go into a central pool and then equally divides x 16

I think Brian Cook from the Cats was involved, but only heard part of it.However the idea would never get off the ground (would it?)

[Benchwarmer]

WTF!!!!!!!!

Is this Australia or a communist dictatorship?

The clubs in the Ammos or SFL or WBFL don't pool their profits (or losses) and split it equally. This is sport FFS and if the weak can't survive then they either drop to the appropriate level of competition (eg. promotion and relegation in local footy) or else they disappear.

Fitzroy ... North Sydney Bears ... Ouyen United (a union of 20! country sides from N-W Victoria) ... teams like this fall due to financial attrition and market forces every year.

Why should the AFL (or SANFL or WAFL) be any different? If my Blues can't turn themselves around and were told that they were being axed from the AFL, then I would be happy for them to save face and drop down to the VFL if it meant preserving their history.

Then again Kevin Bartlett's show does come up with some very stupid ideas between him and his callers and guests!

The VFL (and AFL) would actually be better off with one or two poor performing clubs downscaling and becoming semi-professional sides.

[Psyber]

Some very brief cooments on Hungries show today, complaining about the reveniew by Crows, Freo and Weagles, compared to the poorer Vic. clubs. Suggestion was made, perhaps all clubs profits go into a central pool and then equally divides x 16

I think Brian Cook from the Cats was involved, but only heard part of it.However the idea would never get off the ground (would it?)

Ahh...Socialist philosophy rises again. Somebody else has something - it should be shared with all. I have something I hide it and keep it.
[It flows through history from Marx & Engels living off Engels' wealthy father all the way to socialist pollies with wealthy wives.]

Also known as, "What's yours is mine, what's mine's my own."

[Dutchy]

Say Port power get relocated to Darwin would SA people still want them to win?

Clubs do not represent states...simple....thats why State of orgin is so improtant to bring back....

Dutchy I know what you are trying to say but I think you are over-simplifying it:

- Crows and Power play their 'home' games in Adelaide
- they have 'Adelaide' as part of their official name
- their AFL licences are owned by the SANFL
- majority of their players are South Australian
- an official SA State-of-Origin side would be made up mostly by players from Crows and Power
- they are the only South Australian-based sides playing in the AFL

So I agree they aren't State-Of-Origin sides but there's a strong argument that they represent SA in the AFL, which is why some people adopt them as 'South Australian'. This may not be technically correct, but as Diss says it's about the emotion and connection people feel for the team which often overrides the fact of where the players might come from.

It's different in Melbourne but that's because of the expanded-VFL roots in the AFL and so easier for them to retain the tribal-club views, as per Benchwarmer's post. But they do seem to fly the Victorian flag when it suits them in finals as Benchwarmer says.

I agree State-of-Origin must come back BTW

South Melbourne anyone? Fitzroy anyone? Which states do these clubs represent then?

SOO is so so important and wouldnt be completely full of Port/Crows players, not that its a huge issue if it is....Id be the first to buy a ticket to a SOO game and support SA as they represent my state not a club

[Hondo]

SOO is so so important and wouldnt be completely full of Port/Crows players, not that its a huge issue if it is....Id be the first to buy a ticket to a SOO game and support SA as they represent my state not a club

I'd be second

BTW the phantom SA SOO team published in the Advertiser early in the year had 16 Crows and Power players out of 22 - that was without Ricciuto who was injured.

[scoob]

BRING BACK SOO!!! FFS!

[JK]

Some very brief cooments on Hungries show today, complaining about the reveniew by Crows, Freo and Weagles, compared to the poorer Vic. clubs. Suggestion was made, perhaps all clubs profits go into a central pool and then equally divides x 16

I think Brian Cook from the Cats was involved, but only heard part of it.However the idea would never get off the ground (would it?)

Interesting that Collingwood weren't mentioned in that lot, I wonder if it's because they're in Victoria?

[Benchwarmer]

It's a case of being selective once again by the Victorian media!

[doggies4eva]

Some very brief cooments on Hungries show today, complaining about the reveniew by Crows, Freo and Weagles, compared to the poorer Vic. clubs. Suggestion was made, perhaps all clubs profits go into a central pool and then equally divides x 16

I think Brian Cook from the Cats was involved, but only heard part of it.However the idea would never get off the ground (would it?)

That's dumb even for a Victorian

There are lots of reasons why it wouldn't work - legal, practical etc that are a waste of time going into.

What next? A plan to share the premiership so each club gets to win it every 16 years?

[Sojourner]

Brian Cook should be more concerned about equitable home ground advantage and having Kardina Park as a finals venue if Geelong quailfy and earn the right to a "home" final.