Crows v Swans

[sturt1]

Well done Crows. Well played Ben Rutten and Macca, for that matter the whole bloody team.

[sydney-dog]

If people are pointing the fingers at the crows for the style in which last weeks game was plyed, well those people are way off the mark

FFS, Sydney forces clubs to play that style. Sydney's entire game plan is based on forcing stoppages, slow tempo footy and choking the opposition, this makes it almost impossible for opposition sides to blow them away

But when the Swans and Eagles play off in a GF that only produces 14 goals, everyone says "What a Contest"

Have a look at Sydney's results over the past three seasons, 90% of games have mirrored what we saw last week.

Almost every coach would admit, the best way to beat Sydney is at their own game, otherwise they will play the game on their terms

For those who think Sydney have plenty improvement left in them, well Sydney were at full strength, the Crows structure will only get better, Roo, McGregor, Johncock, Shirley and Bode will improve the side, not to mention Proplyzia, Knights, Douglas and Van Berlo would all take plenty of confidence out of this type of game, not to mention Goodwin, Bock and Edwards did not have a huge influence on the game

I think their is more upside to Adelaide, than compared to Sydney

[Dutchy]

SD - I agree thats Sydney's style but it is also Adelaide's style to play a low scoring defensive style....Recent history shows that Sydney improve during the year and perform in the finals adn also shows the Crows play very well this time of year and fade in the finals...seeing the game live you could see Sydney are off the boil, not hitting targets and missing 7 set shots for goal

As for McGregor & Bode they are not first 22 selections so you can leave them out of the picture until they become consistent performers in the team...

[Dutchy]

Of course his responsibility is to only get wins, FFS Dutchy!
It seems to me that Craigy always has to jump a higher hurdle than other coaches to please people. CP, great to hear you coming around

So he has not responsibility to the game itself? no resposibility to be a figure head of the club? not responsible to ensure his players are good role models to the kids out there? not responsible to ensure the kids drafted to his club become good citizens in society? not responsible to sponsors of the club and the AFL where the money is generated to pay his salary?

[McAlmanac]

As for McGregor & Bode they are not first 22 selections so you can leave them out of the picture until they become consistent performers in the team...

Gee, how many games has McGregor played for the Eagles in the last few years?

[Hondo]

Of course his responsibility is to only get wins, FFS Dutchy!
It seems to me that Craigy always has to jump a higher hurdle than other coaches to please people. CP, great to hear you coming around

So he has not responsibility to the game itself? no resposibility to be a figure head of the club? not responsible to ensure his players are good role models to the kids out there? not responsible to ensure the kids drafted to his club become good citizens in society? not responsible to sponsors of the club and the AFL where the money is generated to pay his salary?

Have you got examples of where he isn't doing any of those things BTW?

Secondly, if he did all of those things and went 0-22 how would you rate his season?

[Hondo]

SD - I agree thats Sydney's style but it is also Adelaide's style to play a low scoring defensive style....Recent history shows that Sydney improve during the year and perform in the finals adn also shows the Crows play very well this time of year and fade in the finals...seeing the game live you could see Sydney are off the boil, not hitting targets and missing 7 set shots for goal

As for McGregor & Bode they are not first 22 selections so you can leave them out of the picture until they become consistent performers in the team...

Some examples from 2006 (would would happen if they played a high-scoring, attacking style?):
R1 Collingwood 2.1 9.5 12.6 17.9
R3 Melbourne 6.5 11.6 14.10 15.12
R5 Western Bulldogs 6.5 8.9 14.10 20.12
R7 Kangaroos 9.2 9.3 13.6 18.8
R9 Carlton 7.5 10.6 16.12 18.16
R10 Essendon 6.1 13.4 20.7 30.8
R12 St Kilda 5.3 10.7 13.12 18.15
R13 Geelong 3.6 10.12 14.17 21.21
R15 Hawthorn 2.3 5.6 10.9 16.13
R16 Kangaroos 4.3 7.6 14.7 19.10
R22 Melbourne 7.3 12.8 17.10 23.14

Matthew Bode: Quote from AFC website re 2006 season "Bode played 23 of the 24 games, finished sixth in club champion voting, kicked 32 goals" ... must be the best non-1st 22, inconsistent player in the AFL

[RoosterMarty]

As for McGregor & Bode they are not first 22 selections so you can leave them out of the picture until they become consistent performers in the team...

Gee, how many games has McGregor played for the Eagles in the last few years?

Bode is also a first teamer, applies superb forward line pressure. I think he led the league in tackles inside the forward 50 last year or something like that.

[Dutchy]

McGregor...fully fit and ready to go wasnt in the Crows best 22 late last year including finals.

Bode...Wasnt picked in the best 22 v Essendon Round 1

Regulars? I think not...

[Dutchy]

Some examples from 2006 (would would happen if they played a high-scoring, attacking style?):
R1 Collingwood 2.1 9.5 12.6 17.9
R3 Melbourne 6.5 11.6 14.10 15.12
R5 Western Bulldogs 6.5 8.9 14.10 20.12
R7 Kangaroos 9.2 9.3 13.6 18.8
R9 Carlton 7.5 10.6 16.12 18.16
R10 Essendon 6.1 13.4 20.7 30.8
R12 St Kilda 5.3 10.7 13.12 18.15
R13 Geelong 3.6 10.12 14.17 21.21
R15 Hawthorn 2.3 5.6 10.9 16.13
R16 Kangaroos 4.3 7.6 14.7 19.10
R22 Melbourne 7.3 12.8 17.10 23.14

and not 1 team in the top 4 from last year in that lot

[Dutchy]

Of course his responsibility is to only get wins, FFS Dutchy!
It seems to me that Craigy always has to jump a higher hurdle than other coaches to please people. CP, great to hear you coming around

So he has not responsibility to the game itself? no resposibility to be a figure head of the club? not responsible to ensure his players are good role models to the kids out there? not responsible to ensure the kids drafted to his club become good citizens in society? not responsible to sponsors of the club and the AFL where the money is generated to pay his salary?

Have you got examples of where he isn't doing any of those things BTW?

Secondly, if he did all of those things and went 0-22 how would you rate his season?

you said above that is all he has to do!!!!

[BenchedEagle]

SD - I agree thats Sydney's style but it is also Adelaide's style to play a low scoring defensive style....Recent history shows that Sydney improve during the year and perform in the finals adn also shows the Crows play very well this time of year and fade in the finals...seeing the game live you could see Sydney are off the boil, not hitting targets and missing 7 set shots for goal

As for McGregor & Bode they are not first 22 selections so you can leave them out of the picture until they become consistent performers in the team...

Whats ur sides style? Low scoring attacking? Worry about ur own club mate. We have been top 4 last two years runnin, what have u guys done lately? except disapoint?
We could have easily won the 2 Grand finals against Sydney. But its well known we dont match up against West Coast, we gotta deal with that, and we will. 3 rd time lucky i say. we will go Top 4 again this year

[sydney-dog]

Dutchy

I disagree with your assessment on Adelaide's style

Yes Adelaide has a very strong defensive action all over the ground, but show me a team that has won a premiership in the last 20 years that have not been very strong defensively, this is why Geelong (AFL) and North Adelaide (SANFL) have not won flags, one way attacking footy does not win Premierships

No one seems to complain when the Lions won 3 flags with a similar style, the Lions had some great midfielders and forwards but defensively they played no different than Adelaide, they worked hard off the ball, they zoned back in numbers and they forced oppositions in to turn overs

Not to mention when Sydney plays a total shutdown game style, everyone comments on how well drilled and discipline they are to be able to play this style week in and week out, and what has this strategy delivered them "a flag", do you think Sydney supporters give a shite "No"

Yes the Crows do get numbers behind the footy and try to create run from HB, but every side in the competition does this, the Kanga's were the creators of this strategy, the only difference, they almost had the entire side behind the ball

People seem to forget that Adelaide played some of the best attacking footy in 2006, games against Essendon and the WB were two examples of this........

For those who want pure attacking footy well if that is your wish, you cannot also wish for a premiership, it wont happen

[Dutchy]

One big difference Lads......Adelaide dont have a flag to show for it

[Hondo]

Of course his responsibility is to only get wins, FFS Dutchy!
It seems to me that Craigy always has to jump a higher hurdle than other coaches to please people. CP, great to hear you coming around

So he has not responsibility to the game itself? no resposibility to be a figure head of the club? not responsible to ensure his players are good role models to the kids out there? not responsible to ensure the kids drafted to his club become good citizens in society? not responsible to sponsors of the club and the AFL where the money is generated to pay his salary?

Have you got examples of where he isn't doing any of those things BTW?

Secondly, if he did all of those things and went 0-22 how would you rate his season?

you said above that is all he has to do!!!!

And the answers to the questions are ...?

[Hondo]

Some examples from 2006 (would would happen if they played a high-scoring, attacking style?):
R1 Collingwood 2.1 9.5 12.6 17.9
R3 Melbourne 6.5 11.6 14.10 15.12
R5 Western Bulldogs 6.5 8.9 14.10 20.12
R7 Kangaroos 9.2 9.3 13.6 18.8
R9 Carlton 7.5 10.6 16.12 18.16
R10 Essendon 6.1 13.4 20.7 30.8
R12 St Kilda 5.3 10.7 13.12 18.15
R13 Geelong 3.6 10.12 14.17 21.21
R15 Hawthorn 2.3 5.6 10.9 16.13
R16 Kangaroos 4.3 7.6 14.7 19.10
R22 Melbourne 7.3 12.8 17.10 23.14

and not 1 team in the top 4 from last year in that lot

Since when were we discussing the Crows v top 4 sides? But you're right I left out the 15 goals v Sydney in Sydney (to win by 6 goals) and the 16 goals against Freo to win a final.

You've said that the Crows are a low-scoring defensive style team and I am pointing out that they had the second highest scoring aggregate in the comp last year. Be accountable on your comments and argue the facts.

2006 points aggregates:

1 WEST COAST 2257 120.44
2 ADELAIDE 2331 142.13
3 FREMANTLE 2079 109.83
4 SYDNEY 2098 128.71
5 COLLINGWOOD 2345 119.34
6 ST KILDA 2074 118.38
7 MELBOURNE 2146 109.66
8 WEST BULLDOGS 2311 106.35
9 RICHMOND 1934 86.15
10 GEELONG 1982 99
11 HAWTHORN 1834 85.7
12 PORT ADELAIDE 1911 88.84
13 BRISBANE 1844 82.36
14 KANGAROOS 1754 80.94
15 ESSENDON 2021 81.86
16 CARLTON 1791 74.16

[Hondo]

This hole is so deep you'll strike oil soon Dutchy

[Dutchy]

Alright lets talk some facts about this season -

Crows are averaging 83 points per game (AFL Average 89.7) and are ranked 11th in scoring (teams above them include Roos and Richmond )
Crows have had 92 Scoring Shots which ranks them 15th with only Melbourne below them
Crows have the 4th best defence conceding 284 points with Brisbane, Sydney and WCE above them
Crows are ranked 13th in Inside 50's this year
Conversely they are ranked 3rd best in Inside 50's conceded

What does this say? They are a very defensive side but also very efficient....attacking? No...

What we do know is the Crows have an excellent defence and midfield but their attack is poor ATM, the stats above prove this...this weeks game will be very very interesting as Freo are complete opposites with many of the above stats...

[mypaddock]

hondo, dutchy is just jealous because the kangaroos wont make the finals for at least another five years! along with richmond they make for terrible football viewing...

[Dutchy]

hondo, dutchy is just jealous because the kangaroos wont make the finals for at least another five years! along with richmond they make for terrible football viewing...

Why is that?