Round 14 Live scores and discussion

[Brodlach]

How much longer for Ratten? Injuries have effected the team but he was under pressure last year when they did make finals

Dunno Brod. Given that we were looking at top 4, he's under pressure for sure. Dunno if injuries will cover the difference between being say 10-4 and 6-8.

The real problem for me is that if we cut him, we have to go for a Malthouse type, whilst Judd is still with us. If we went for another untried coach - which Ratten was in essence, we could do ourselves out of a flag during the Judd era. It's a massive issue.

Ratten looked 'beaten' in the coaches box tonight. He looks tired.

Agree Gadj, they need a Malthouse or Roos. I doubt he will see the year out, lose next week and that will be the end

[howzat]

confidence is shot no doubt about it not sure whats going on with walker,kreuzer,yarren they have been missing for weeks i say they are injured so why are we playing them???....we dont seem hungry enough or want to do the 1% stuff we will now miss the finals for sure....not looking forward to next week the way we are playing we wont beat the roos or dogs either....

[gadj1976]

How much longer for Ratten? Injuries have effected the team but he was under pressure last year when they did make finals

Dunno Brod. Given that we were looking at top 4, he's under pressure for sure. Dunno if injuries will cover the difference between being say 10-4 and 6-8.

The real problem for me is that if we cut him, we have to go for a Malthouse type, whilst Judd is still with us. If we went for another untried coach - which Ratten was in essence, we could do ourselves out of a flag during the Judd era. It's a massive issue.

Ratten looked 'beaten' in the coaches box tonight. He looks tired.

Agree Gadj, they need a Malthouse or Roos. I doubt he will see the year out, lose next week and that will be the end

I hope not. I hope we're beyond that stage of cutting guys because of media speculation. I'd also hate to take on Malthouse ONLY because I'd hate to see Eddie gloat about his prevocative comment in May or June.

We do need to make the most of our top heavy draft picks though and at the moment obviously we're not. Last year we did.........so is that injuries and depth, or is that game plan and players being 'front runners'/'downhill skiers'. I dunno. Only the club knows that.

[howzat]

How much longer for Ratten? Injuries have effected the team but he was under pressure last year when they did make finals

Dunno Brod. Given that we were looking at top 4, he's under pressure for sure. Dunno if injuries will cover the difference between being say 10-4 and 6-8.

The real problem for me is that if we cut him, we have to go for a Malthouse type, whilst Judd is still with us. If we went for another untried coach - which Ratten was in essence, we could do ourselves out of a flag during the Judd era. It's a massive issue.

Ratten looked 'beaten' in the coaches box tonight. He looks tired.

Agree Gadj, they need a Malthouse or Roos. I doubt he will see the year out, lose next week and that will be the end

yep been saying for 3 years now ratts will never coach us to a flag....

[Squids]

How much longer for Ratten? Injuries have effected the team but he was under pressure last year when they did make finals

Dunno Brod. Given that we were looking at top 4, he's under pressure for sure. Dunno if injuries will cover the difference between being say 10-4 and 6-8.

The real problem for me is that if we cut him, we have to go for a Malthouse type, whilst Judd is still with us. If we went for another untried coach - which Ratten was in essence, we could do ourselves out of a flag during the Judd era. It's a massive issue.

Ratten looked 'beaten' in the coaches box tonight. He looks tired.

That's what I am trying to say, Ratten is not the man for the job. Are the players playing for him?, are they busting their a***, obviously not.

Recruiting is also an issue, getting rid of Setanta looks like a big mistake now. Surely not just Ratten but the other coaches realised the cupboard is bare after Waite.

I think the best move now is to play the kids for the rent of the year, Buckley and Dale in particular if fit. So then next year the flag can be given a real crack with hopefully fewer injuries and if needed Buckley and Dale for example can provided cover. Bootsma in particular this year has struggled.



A positive of tonights game was Joseph, I am a big critic of his but when used right he is a handy lockdown tagger.

[gadj1976]

howzat, that doesn't take rocket science to predict that. Only 1 in 18 teams can win it each year. As I've stated many times, it takes a lot of good planning, good luck and good management to win a flag. Predicting the downfall of a coach, or inability of a coach doesn't make you a Rhodes scholar in my eyes.

[Brodlach]

He just doesn't seem to have that x factor or grunt about him. He looked like a defeated man right from the first quarter

[howzat]

howzat, that doesn't take rocket science to predict that. Only 1 in 18 teams can win it each year. As I've stated many times, it takes a lot of good planning, good luck and good management to win a flag. Predicting the downfall of a coach, or inability of a coach doesn't make you a Rhodes scholar in my eyes.

never said it did i have always said he cant coach END OF STORY....

[howzat]

He just doesn't seem to have that x factor or grunt about him. He looked like a defeated man right from the first quarter

do doubt he doesnt feel as comfortable in the box as he does on the bench and yeah he looked like a man under real pressure for sure...

[gadj1976]

How much longer for Ratten? Injuries have effected the team but he was under pressure last year when they did make finals

Dunno Brod. Given that we were looking at top 4, he's under pressure for sure. Dunno if injuries will cover the difference between being say 10-4 and 6-8.

The real problem for me is that if we cut him, we have to go for a Malthouse type, whilst Judd is still with us. If we went for another untried coach - which Ratten was in essence, we could do ourselves out of a flag during the Judd era. It's a massive issue.

Ratten looked 'beaten' in the coaches box tonight. He looks tired.

That's what I am trying to say, Ratten is not the man for the job. Are the players playing for him?, are they busting their a***, obviously not.

Recruiting is also an issue, getting rid of Setanta looks like a big mistake now. Surely not just Ratten but the other coaches realised the cupboard is bare after Waite.

I think the best move now is to play the kids for the rent of the year, Buckley and Dale in particular if fit. So then next year the flag can be given a real crack with hopefully fewer injuries and if needed Buckley and Dale for example can provided cover. Bootsma in particular this year has struggled.

But he was last year?

Oh god, you and Howzat need to get a room. I hate when I hear, "they're not playing for the coach". What a complete load of bollocks. I played amateur footy and even though I didn't like my coach, I still played my heart out to the utmost of my ability, for my mates and my jumper. These guys are professional remember.

Were they playing for the coach last year to make that such a cracker final in Perth (without Gibbs and Kruezer)? Were they playing for the coach in Perth two weeks ago? Were they playing for the coach against Collingwood earlier this year?

Hey mate, I agree with the Setanta issue. I would've kept Setanta but he's not the answer to all of our problems. Bower was a better defender, which is one of our weaknesses which we need depth in. I would've cut someone else other then the big Irishman.

I agree with your last paragraph about playing kids. Buckley and Dale have to play. We know what Ellard, Joseph etc can do and that's good, but we need to see what the kids can do. Bit harsh on Boots. First year player built like a stick insect.. I think he's doing ok. Put him in a side where we have a full strength backline and he's a different story. At the moment he's being asked to step up to a position he's not ready for. And then get him a haircut!


A positive of tonights game was Joseph, I am a big critic of his but when used right he is a handy lockdown tagger.

[Squids]

Compare Carltons and Essendons lists. Why are Essendon in the top 4 and Carlton 10th?

Something is not right.


If they are not playing for the coach, then they aren't play for each other which is even more worrying.

[gadj1976]

howzat, that doesn't take rocket science to predict that. Only 1 in 18 teams can win it each year. As I've stated many times, it takes a lot of good planning, good luck and good management to win a flag. Predicting the downfall of a coach, or inability of a coach doesn't make you a Rhodes scholar in my eyes.

never said it did i have always said he cant coach END OF STORY....

Ok......

[howzat]

How much longer for Ratten? Injuries have effected the team but he was under pressure last year when they did make finals

Dunno Brod. Given that we were looking at top 4, he's under pressure for sure. Dunno if injuries will cover the difference between being say 10-4 and 6-8.

The real problem for me is that if we cut him, we have to go for a Malthouse type, whilst Judd is still with us. If we went for another untried coach - which Ratten was in essence, we could do ourselves out of a flag during the Judd era. It's a massive issue.

Ratten looked 'beaten' in the coaches box tonight. He looks tired.

That's what I am trying to say, Ratten is not the man for the job. Are the players playing for him?, are they busting their a***, obviously not.

Recruiting is also an issue, getting rid of Setanta looks like a big mistake now. Surely not just Ratten but the other coaches realised the cupboard is bare after Waite.

I think the best move now is to play the kids for the rent of the year, Buckley and Dale in particular if fit. So then next year the flag can be given a real crack with hopefully fewer injuries and if needed Buckley and Dale for example can provided cover. Bootsma in particular this year has struggled.

But he was last year?

Oh god, you and Howzat need to get a room. I hate when I hear, "they're not playing for the coach". What a complete load of bollocks. I played amateur footy and even though I didn't like my coach, I still played my heart out to the utmost of my ability, for my mates and my jumper. These guys are professional remember.

Were they playing for the coach last year to make that such a cracker final in Perth (without Gibbs and Kruezer)? Were they playing for the coach in Perth two weeks ago? Were they playing for the coach against Collingwood earlier this year?

Hey mate, I agree with the Setanta issue. I would've kept Setanta but he's not the answer to all of our problems. Bower was a better defender, which is one of our weaknesses which we need depth in. I would've cut someone else other then the big Irishman.

I agree with your last paragraph about playing kids. Buckley and Dale have to play. We know what Ellard, Joseph etc can do and that's good, but we need to see what the kids can do. Bit harsh on Boots. First year player built like a stick insect.. I think he's doing ok. Put him in a side where we have a full strength backline and he's a different story. At the moment he's being asked to step up to a position he's not ready for. And then get him a haircut!


A positive of tonights game was Joseph, I am a big critic of his but when used right he is a handy lockdown tagger.

gadj1976 if you wanna except the crap they are dishing out because of a few injuries thats up to you but im a paying member have been for over 30 years so i will tell it how i see it and not try and sugar coat everything....

[gadj1976]

Compare Carltons and Essendons lists. Why are Essendon in the top 4 and Carlton 10th?

Something is not right.


If they are not playing for the coach, then they aren't play for each other which is even more worrying.

Essendumb have a firing midfield and a decent structure up forward. Any co-incidence since we lost carrots and Murph we've gone downhill?

I have a real problem with Warnock. The guy is Empire State building tall and is just ordinary. He's not the answer to our ruck problems I'm afraid. I'd look at trading him end of season ... but I don't know what player I'd be looking for as a swap. Whoever it is, we'd be giving away draft picks!

I also don't think we can carry three big guys in games. We seem to have drifted away from our running game and into "big blokes can take marks". Last year I don't think it was that important.

[Squids]

Compare Carltons and Essendons lists. Why are Essendon in the top 4 and Carlton 10th?

Something is not right.


If they are not playing for the coach, then they aren't play for each other which is even more worrying.

Essendumb have a firing midfield and a decent structure up forward. Any co-incidence since we lost carrots and Murph we've gone downhill?

I have a real problem with Warnock. The guy is Empire State building tall and is just ordinary. He's not the answer to our ruck problems I'm afraid. I'd look at trading him end of season ... but I don't know what player I'd be looking for as a swap. Whoever it is, we'd be giving away draft picks!

I also don't think we can carry three big guys in games. We seem to have drifted away from our running game and into "big blokes can take marks". Last year I don't think it was that important.

100% Agree, they are way too slow. I wish Jacobs was dumb and stayed.

Warnock would have little trade value, who wants a slow one dimensional players in todays game.

Trade week we must get a key forward.

[gadj1976]

howzat, that's fine, no problem with you commenting as a paid up member.

Just remember how much sh1t we give Richmond supporters for being fickle. In my opinion there is no point in spitting the dummy when we're bad and then getting on the bandwagon when we're going well, that's all.

I hate the fact that this year I was fully expecting a top 4 finish and possibly a GF spot. But that's life. It's not going to happen. The club realises that more than you and I put together. And in fact, they're dedicating more time than all of us trying to rectify it.

I'm NOT a financial member of the club but that's because of my own financial concerns. But I still feel that its still MY club. One I support passionately, even through the crap times like the early to mid 2000s. I follow Sturt too, and in the early 90's we were terrible but not for one second did I distance myself from the club. These are the times true supporters stick by their team and have faith that the guys paid well to make decisions inside the club indeed to their job to their best ability. Either way, the club needs us.

[Dirko]

Who cares...we are shit. Put the cricket on. The Aussies are on fire

[gadj1976]

Compare Carltons and Essendons lists. Why are Essendon in the top 4 and Carlton 10th?

Something is not right.


If they are not playing for the coach, then they aren't play for each other which is even more worrying.

Essendumb have a firing midfield and a decent structure up forward. Any co-incidence since we lost carrots and Murph we've gone downhill?

I have a real problem with Warnock. The guy is Empire State building tall and is just ordinary. He's not the answer to our ruck problems I'm afraid. I'd look at trading him end of season ... but I don't know what player I'd be looking for as a swap. Whoever it is, we'd be giving away draft picks!

I also don't think we can carry three big guys in games. We seem to have drifted away from our running game and into "big blokes can take marks". Last year I don't think it was that important.

100% Agree, they are way too slow. I wish Jacobs was dumb and stayed.

Warnock would have little trade value, who wants a slow one dimensional players in todays game.

Trade week we must get a key forward.

are there any around? Cloke, Pav, Browndog, Darling......either way you need more than 1 to be effective.

hehehe, Jacobs.......yeh but again, his midfield in fit and firing on all cylinders.

[Squids]

Compare Carltons and Essendons lists. Why are Essendon in the top 4 and Carlton 10th?

Something is not right.


If they are not playing for the coach, then they aren't play for each other which is even more worrying.

Essendumb have a firing midfield and a decent structure up forward. Any co-incidence since we lost carrots and Murph we've gone downhill?

I have a real problem with Warnock. The guy is Empire State building tall and is just ordinary. He's not the answer to our ruck problems I'm afraid. I'd look at trading him end of season ... but I don't know what player I'd be looking for as a swap. Whoever it is, we'd be giving away draft picks!

I also don't think we can carry three big guys in games. We seem to have drifted away from our running game and into "big blokes can take marks". Last year I don't think it was that important.

100% Agree, they are way too slow. I wish Jacobs was dumb and stayed.

Warnock would have little trade value, who wants a slow one dimensional players in todays game.

Trade week we must get a key forward.

are there any around? Cloke, Pav, Browndog, Darling......either way you need more than 1 to be effective.

hehehe, Jacobs.......yeh but again, his midfield in fit and firing on all cylinders.

West Coast has shown you don't need stars, you just need guys who will consistently get to contests and occasionally take a grab. Our mosquito fleet could rove of these big guys. Lucas for Josh Kennedy?...we can dream.

He is a dud but someone like Aaron Edwards would provide a contest and would come dirt cheap.

[howzat]

howzat, that's fine, no problem with you commenting as a paid up member.

Just remember how much sh1t we give Richmond supporters for being fickle. In my opinion there is no point in spitting the dummy when we're bad and then getting on the bandwagon when we're going well, that's all.

I hate the fact that this year I was fully expecting a top 4 finish and possibly a GF spot. But that's life. It's not going to happen. The club realises that more than you and I put together. And in fact, they're dedicating more time than all of us trying to rectify it.

I'm NOT a financial member of the club but that's because of my own financial concerns. But I still feel that its still MY club. One I support passionately, even through the crap times like the early to mid 2000s. I follow Sturt too, and in the early 90's we were terrible but not for one second did I distance myself from the club. These are the times true supporters stick by their team and have faith that the guys paid well to make decisions inside the club indeed to their job to their best ability. Either way, the club needs us.

yeah i hear ya but richmond didnt get the penalty we copped that set our club back ten years at least we have a reason it took the afl to hand us our first spoon...my biggest problem is i hate us being like this i will always buy my membership no matter what....and you think supporting sturt is bad try supporting south adelaide i seen their jumper when i was a kid and said it looks like carltons so i support them